Hmm, the original design reviewed by Amir was one full range driver, this video by the speaker designer is talking about addressing the weaknesses by adding a woofer to the design - so turning it into a 2-way speaker, lol, so it's essentially a completely different design.
Got it, so next one will have a woofer I guess, didn't watch the whole thing, in the first part of the video he talks about this model, and that's what we see on his desk.
Ha, I know, you can't get wound up by this, I balanced the left & right of my various headphones perfectly through the frequency range after measuring them on my miniDSP EARS and it was worth it.....you then do notice that sometimes vocals of some people are shifted to the left or right slightly on some tracks, especially if they are duets or three people singing, they often place them in slightly different positions - so it would be an utter nightmare listening to your headphones or speakers trying to guage if they're balanced or not (if you were wrongly assuming they'd be central) - gotta do it through measurements really! (and then forget about it!)
Same here. I guess I need more training in order to "catch" the distortion but listening over YouTube with my HD660S, I had a hard time noticing it.
It's true that they sound different, as I did that quick comparison too, but you have to understand is that the Youtube "master recording" is unadulterated whereas with Amir's recording you are listening to a recording of a speaker so you're listening to his room at the extremely narrow listening point of his microphone position - so it's not apples to apples......this is why I am fundamentally against "recording the sound of speakers" for playback by others. So the difference you hear is not necessarily the distortion aspect between the two recordings. ASR, please no more recordings of how a speaker sounds, ha!
I fully understand what you are saying. I was exaggerating a bit. My point, I need to be trained to hear what seems to be an obvious distortion.
I think that would help, but at the same time you need a reference point to compare to that is controlled - an A/B that is under the same conditions, with just the distortion as the variable. I do think that people who know Amir's track intimately would truly be in a position to identify the distortion easier, but ideally you need a perfect vs distorted in the same environment to evaluate, which is not possible really here. Certainly though, for super severe distortion then anyone could hear that as it would be super unnatural and unpleasant. (This is not super super obvious distortion in this vid). I definitely wouldn't worry about your ears.
I heard it the moment the full bass hit a deep note and the speaker distorted it and after that it was not as obvious but still there. I used my Sennheiser HD 598 headphones at a loud volume for listening.
So what does it boil down to? A three-way speaker, but otherwise with a slightly larger bass element than what Danny suggests.5 inch bass together with 3 inch midrange, please....come on!So Danny is now fixing the speaker by adding a 5 inch woofer.
The beaming at high frequencies will still be there, so I guess the next step is to improve it by adding a tweeter.
But Danny is not basic. He
Fair do's, but it's easy to be "swayed" in an uncontrolled test like this when there is no control to test against - I don't necessarily not believe you though, but it's unimportant.....please no recordings of how speakers sound ASR, please.
I was focusing on the vocal per Amir's observation.
It does kind of play into our disdain of the speaker tests/reviews on YouTube.
definitely, let's not go there with imitation
Not a bad advice to do it by measurments, but really if it's significant, it's not hard to notice, at least with headphones, I don't know but at least 90% of the music I listen to have lead vocal and kick panned dead center. I notice if right away. Now for speakers, not sure how one would measure this. You may want to measure the accuracy of your balanced pot if you have one and see if center is really centered, but beside that, most of the imbalance you'll get is caused by your room snd speaker placement. In that case, maybe some have good advices, maybe measure one speaker at time snd see if there are level difference at listening position and compensate but still. I find ears quite accurate for that kind of things. If it sounds louder on one side and the voice is not at center, it probably isn't. Just don't use old Hendrix or Stones recordings for that.
You say that, but I found that it was impossible to know without measuring, by virtue that you can never guarantee where specific sounds are supposed to be imaged on the soundstage in a recording. And anecdotally I certainly felt that after the balancing that certain smooth left & right panning sound effects seemed to be a lot more balanced around my head - sound effects that are supposed to loop around your head. I also noticed that pinpointing voices in duets and when 3 people singing I could tell there positions were a bit more succinct - I think with unbalanced channels there was less positional distinction. I really don't think you can tune these things by ear, I'm sure you really have to do them by measurements.
Naa, you're not wasting your money, it's just an uncontrolled test - it doesn't mean you can't appreciate better measuring audio gear, it just means that the test is a little flawed.
25:28 in the video a twang buzz can be heard from the stand up full bass.
