Good earbuds with jack WHITHOUT silicone tips

[Chrispy]

You inadvertently managed to summarize why I don't like Apple. Thx for this.

Not an apple fan/user myself, but what is that don't like about?

 

[Karmacoma]

Not an apple fan/user myself, but what is that don't like about?

(specs+tune-ability+ecosystem politic+marketing)/Price
That's the rational part.
I was one of the first buyers of their iPod, got the first 2 models of iPhones. Then after 2-3 years my phone started to get extremely slow after a few updates. Then I learned that it was purely intentional from Apple, a concept called ''programmed obsolescence''. They got sued for that big time later and lost money, had to backtrack, but I won't forget. Now plenty brands do smartphones anyway.
That's the frustrated part.

 

[ErinPraline]

(specs+tune-ability+ecosystem politic+marketing)/Price
That's the rational part.
I was one of the first buyers of their iPod, got the first 2 models of iPhones. Then after 2-3 years my phone started to get extremely slow after a few updates. Then I learned that it was purely intentional from Apple, a concept called ''programmed obsolescence''. They got sued for that big time later and lost money, had to backtrack, but I won't forget. Now plenty brands do smartphones anyway.
That's the frustrated part.

I was specifically talking about their audio products. They're well designed just not state of the art

 

[Karmacoma]

I was specifically talking about their audio products. They're well designed just not state of the art

You were I wasn't, no misunderstanding here.