Genelec Owners Lounge and Discussion

[napfkuchen]

Anyone know what would be a good way to tilt up a Genelec speaker lying on its side on a table? Specifically a heavy one like 8351B sitting as a C channel under TV. Needs to tilt up a bit more than the isopod allows and not slip or topple over. At the moment I am thinking of wedging it up using a squat wedge like https://a.co/d/6TWqcix. Alternative would be get something similar in wood and drill a hole and attach the isopod metal base.

I use a pair of door stoppers that are normally glued to the wall, on which the front of the iso-pod rests.
With wedges like you posted the angle is probably too large (at least for me, at 2m listening distance).

 

[Mort]

No Genelec Sub?

Nice solution.

 

[Behrelec 37]

Genelec's SAM subwoofers are of better quality, and certainly integrate better with the main speakers. And they allow you to connect digital signals directly to the speakers from a variety of sources, thus bypassing the inferior DAC devices that many people collect as a hobby. You can also connect multiple multi-channel speakers to the subwoofer in analog.

 

[DavidEdwinAston]

May I ask, how low down the price list of Genelec, could one approximate the performance of stereo Ascend Sierra LX, and two linked, REL subwoofers? That would be using Genelec subs as well.

 

[Mort]

How big are the subs? How loud do you listen and to what genre? How far are you listening?
Are you using any DSP?


Edit: pair of 8040b with the 6.5" woofer and F3 in the low to mid 40hz's is the closest match and retails for $2500. Of course it comes with a clean 360w amp (90x2x2).

 

[DavidEdwinAston]

How big are the subs? How loud do you listen and to what genre? How far are you listening?
Are you using any DSP?


Edit: pair of 8040b with the 6.5" woofer and F3 in the low to mid 40hz's is the closest match and retails for $2500. Of course it comes with a clean 360w amp (90x2x2).

Thanks Mort. REL s3 . Only of moderate size. Listen 70, to 80 decibels. Classical to rock.don't uses DSP.
I was wondering small Genelec mains, and small Genelec subs?

 

[Mort]

Thanks Mort. REL s3 . Only of moderate size. Listen 70, to 80 decibels. Classical to rock.don't uses DSP.
I was wondering small Genelec mains, and small Genelec subs?

Those are some very nice speakers and good bang for the buck. And a solid pair of 10" subs. Total cost new/used is $2k-$3k right?

I would think you will get the best Genelec bang for the buck with 2x 8320a ($1600 new) monitors and a single 7360a ($2700 new) 10" subwoofer with the GLM room correction kit ($400 new). It would be substantially better sounding for $4.7k. "The Ones" line is another $3-4k on top and delivers another marked improvement in clarity and power. My thought is for a single main listening place, a single Genelec sub should do it. If you need two to reduce room modes, that will add to the cost. Upgrading for more SPL can be done later but these together should easily produce 80db and more in a small room.

I'm a big fan of the Genelec used market. They are well manufactured and sturdy. That would bring it closer to $3-3.5k, but it's still a fair jump over the passives in cost.

How big will the difference be? I know the Ascend line a bit and I would say the difference will be quite noticeable. The biggest difference will be the DSP - more on that later. The tonality, FR, dispersion are all favorable on the Genelecs. The subs themselves are so solid, play loud and clear especially for their size. You can confidently cross them higher. They will probably have slightly lower max volume, but might not - depends on your amp.

DSP is recommended on this board before new speakers most of the time. Genelec GLM isn't the cheapest source of DSP, but all the current sources are somewhat limited. PC works for some but is clunky. Wiim will get you part of the way, but I find it lackluster in general. REW is free and requires a lot of time to learn. MiniDSP is being hit by tariffs and AVRs are an odd purchase for a 2-channel music enthusiast. GLM is very good but on the expensive side given that you have to buy into the GLM system: the 8X30 series and 8X31 'ones' series.

I also like MiniDSP/DiracLive a lot. You could play with a DDRC-24 on the used market for $300 ($500 new?) and get a pretty good sense of what room correction/DSP will do. It's quite substantial and may satisfy for a while.

If you don't want Genelec DSP but want to try the Genelec sound, the 8030c or G Three (mostly the same) would be excellent with your existing subs. ($1.6k new) and deliver some better FR/tonality/dispersion which I think you would certainly hear, albeit subtle. I only recommend Genelec subs with the DSP (73X0 series) and they would be too expensive to buy and not employ the Genelec GLM system.

The DDRC-24 and 8030c would be a big upgrade together for about $2.1k new.

 

[darth]

For those of you that might have the option (from your avr/avp/PC/Mac), do you do room correction with GLM or with something else or with both?

 

[Matt34]

Those are some very nice speakers and good bang for the buck. And a solid pair of 10" subs. Total cost new/used is $2k-$3k right?

I would think you will get the best Genelec bang for the buck with 2x 8320a ($1600 new) monitors and a single 7360a ($2700 new) 10" subwoofer with the GLM room correction kit ($400 new). It would be substantially better sounding for $4.7k. "The Ones" line is another $3-4k on top and delivers another marked improvement in clarity and power. My thought is for a single main listening place, a single Genelec sub should do it. If you need two to reduce room modes, that will add to the cost. Upgrading for more SPL can be done later but these together should easily produce 80db and more in a small room.

I'm a big fan of the Genelec used market. They are well manufactured and sturdy. That would bring it closer to $3-3.5k, but it's still a fair jump over the passives in cost.

How big will the difference be? I know the Ascend line a bit and I would say the difference will be quite noticeable. The biggest difference will be the DSP - more on that later. The tonality, FR, dispersion are all favorable on the Genelecs. The subs themselves are so solid, play loud and clear especially for their size. You can confidently cross them higher. They will probably have slightly lower max volume, but might not - depends on your amp.

DSP is recommended on this board before new speakers most of the time. Genelec GLM isn't the cheapest source of DSP, but all the current sources are somewhat limited. PC works for some but is clunky. Wiim will get you part of the way, but I find it lackluster in general. REW is free and requires a lot of time to learn. MiniDSP is being hit by tariffs and AVRs are an odd purchase for a 2-channel music enthusiast. GLM is very good but on the expensive side given that you have to buy into the GLM system: the 8X30 series and 8X31 'ones' series.

I also like MiniDSP/DiracLive a lot. You could play with a DDRC-24 on the used market for $300 ($500 new?) and get a pretty good sense of what room correction/DSP will do. It's quite substantial and may satisfy for a while.

If you don't want Genelec DSP but want to try the Genelec sound, the 8030c or G Three (mostly the same) would be excellent with your existing subs. ($1.6k new) and deliver some better FR/tonality/dispersion which I think you would certainly hear, albeit subtle. I only recommend Genelec subs with the DSP (73X0 series) and they would be too expensive to buy and not employ the Genelec GLM system.

The DDRC-24 and 8030c would be a big upgrade together for about $2.1k new.

I don't think the 8320a or 8030c would be a suitable upgrade path from the Ascend LX's. Among some minor improvements they would be a compromise on bass/midbass and output used in a far field listening environment IMO.

 

[Mort]

For those of you that might have the option (from your avr/avp/PC/Mac), do you do room correction with GLM or with something else or with both?

GLM but I miss MiniDsp/Diraclive

 

[darth]

GLM but I miss MiniDsp/Diraclive

Did you get better results with dirac? And did you use it on top of glm?

 

[napfkuchen]

No Genelec Sub?

Nice solution.

Looking at the picture of your setup I think you chose a different subwoofer for similar reasons: Genelec subwoofers have a very utilitarian look and are priced well above what they are worth based solely on performance / output capability. With Genelec you pay for the speakers and the integration with GLM.
I have the center speaker because of its compact size, directivity, and active amplification (which reduces the load on the receiver).
I certainly wouldn't mind a complete Genelec surround setup with W371a speakers as "speaker stands." But that would be way beyond my budget, and just think about the wiring of this ...

 

[Behrelec 37]

Glm is the most advanced professional audio program in the world when it comes to sound editing through room measurement in my opinion. I do the measurement myself on an Apple laptop right in my living room. But it can also be done on a Windows desktop if you want. There is support for both operating systems. Glm room calibration can be done with your computer's computing power or outsourced via the internet, which I recommend. Both take about a couple of minutes. (NOTE! The exception is Genelec subwoofers, those room calibrations must be done separately and then merged into the speakers through the program).

I note that with the same adjustments, you can get all the speakers into the same bundle in one fell swoop, if you had, say, a hundred of the same Genelec multichannel speakers in your living room.This is simply the most efficient, fastest and, according to the best quality result, also the highest quality software. and it is completely free for everyone. Also, all updates when new speaker models are brought into the system are free to update everyone.

GLM- enables, as in music, using the expression stereo image, it is like your mirror image when looking at a mirror, the ratio of the modified image, which would be like thousands of thousands of different also flexible mirrors in front of your face to choose from, and you have to choose the most pleasant mirror of your own kind for yourself.Glm- therefore enables. Personal customization of HZ/Q/GAIN values on your own initiative. And as if these mirror images can continue to be customized on top of your old modified choices, this and that, which is not self-evident to many people yet. So they can be greatly improved when your understanding of the nature of sound reproduction sharpens your brain's ability to understand the sound you hear even better. This entire Glm technology is completely high-tech.

 

[Mort]

Did you get better results with dirac? And did you use it on top of glm?

DiracLive with MiniDsp allowed better control of the curve. I miss that.

Otherwise, I think GLM is better by a small amount. It's also more consistent. DiracLive would give a weird result once in five.

I didn't think using multiple was worth it after a bit of testing, no.

 

[patoulol]

DiracLive with MiniDsp allowed better control of the curve. I miss that.

Otherwise, I think GLM is better by a small amount. It's also more consistent. DiracLive would give a weird result once in five.

I didn't think using multiple was worth it after a bit of testing, no.

I tested all three with my system

- Trinnov

-Dirac live bass control

-GLM

I had also done some quick measurements and I had a better control bass with the GLM

 

[darth]

I have a minidsp currently driving my 5.1 setup but I never bothered getting a Dirac live license since glm sufficed. But I have no comparison, so was curious. I am moving to a 5.1.2 setup and eventually 5.1.4 setup so have been pondering on what I should be using to drive it hence a bunch of posts in this thread. Currently leading setup is the upcoming Nuprime-X AES + 9301B. Which means only GLM unlike going the AVP/AVR route.

 

[DavidEdwinAston]

Those are some very nice speakers and good bang for the buck. And a solid pair of 10" subs. Total cost new/used is $2k-$3k right?

I would think you will get the best Genelec bang for the buck with 2x 8320a ($1600 new) monitors and a single 7360a ($2700 new) 10" subwoofer with the GLM room correction kit ($400 new). It would be substantially better sounding for $4.7k. "The Ones" line is another $3-4k on top and delivers another marked improvement in clarity and power. My thought is for a single main listening place, a single Genelec sub should do it. If you need two to reduce room modes, that will add to the cost. Upgrading for more SPL can be done later but these together should easily produce 80db and more in a small room.

I'm a big fan of the Genelec used market. They are well manufactured and sturdy. That would bring it closer to $3-3.5k, but it's still a fair jump over the passives in cost.

How big will the difference be? I know the Ascend line a bit and I would say the difference will be quite noticeable. The biggest difference will be the DSP - more on that later. The tonality, FR, dispersion are all favorable on the Genelecs. The subs themselves are so solid, play loud and clear especially for their size. You can confidently cross them higher. They will probably have slightly lower max volume, but might not - depends on your amp.

DSP is recommended on this board before new speakers most of the time. Genelec GLM isn't the cheapest source of DSP, but all the current sources are somewhat limited. PC works for some but is clunky. Wiim will get you part of the way, but I find it lackluster in general. REW is free and requires a lot of time to learn. MiniDSP is being hit by tariffs and AVRs are an odd purchase for a 2-channel music enthusiast. GLM is very good but on the expensive side given that you have to buy into the GLM system: the 8X30 series and 8X31 'ones' series.

I also like MiniDSP/DiracLive a lot. You could play with a DDRC-24 on the used market for $300 ($500 new?) and get a pretty good sense of what room correction/DSP will do. It's quite substantial and may satisfy for a while.

If you don't want Genelec DSP but want to try the Genelec sound, the 8030c or G Three (mostly the same) would be excellent with your existing subs. ($1.6k new) and deliver some better FR/tonality/dispersion which I think you would certainly hear, albeit subtle. I only recommend Genelec subs with the DSP (73X0 series) and they would be too expensive to buy and not employ the Genelec GLM system.

The DDRC-24 and 8030c would be a big upgrade together for about $2.1k new.

Thank you for another very comprehensive reply Mort.
Just looked at the back of one of my subs and they are S2 in fact. However, you have given me a great idea of what is available should I ever decide to go the powered speaker route.

Those are some very nice speakers and good bang for the buck. And a solid pair of 10" subs. Total cost new/used is $2k-$3k right?

I would think you will get the best Genelec bang for the buck with 2x 8320a ($1600 new) monitors and a single 7360a ($2700 new) 10" subwoofer with the GLM room correction kit ($400 new). It would be substantially better sounding for $4.7k. "The Ones" line is another $3-4k on top and delivers another marked improvement in clarity and power. My thought is for a single main listening place, a single Genelec sub should do it. If you need two to reduce room modes, that will add to the cost. Upgrading for more SPL can be done later but these together should easily produce 80db and more in a small room.

I'm a big fan of the Genelec used market. They are well manufactured and sturdy. That would bring it closer to $3-3.5k, but it's still a fair jump over the passives in cost.

How big will the difference be? I know the Ascend line a bit and I would say the difference will be quite noticeable. The biggest difference will be the DSP - more on that later. The tonality, FR, dispersion are all favorable on the Genelecs. The subs themselves are so solid, play loud and clear especially for their size. You can confidently cross them higher. They will probably have slightly lower max volume, but might not - depends on your amp.

DSP is recommended on this board before new speakers most of the time. Genelec GLM isn't the cheapest source of DSP, but all the current sources are somewhat limited. PC works for some but is clunky. Wiim will get you part of the way, but I find it lackluster in general. REW is free and requires a lot of time to learn. MiniDSP is being hit by tariffs and AVRs are an odd purchase for a 2-channel music enthusiast. GLM is very good but on the expensive side given that you have to buy into the GLM system: the 8X30 series and 8X31 'ones' series.

I also like MiniDSP/DiracLive a lot. You could play with a DDRC-24 on the used market for $300 ($500 new?) and get a pretty good sense of what room correction/DSP will do. It's quite substantial and may satisfy for a while.

If you don't want Genelec DSP but want to try the Genelec sound, the 8030c or G Three (mostly the same) would be excellent with your existing subs. ($1.6k new) and deliver some better FR/tonality/dispersion which I think you would certainly hear, albeit subtle. I only recommend Genelec subs with the DSP (73X0 series) and they would be too expensive to buy and not employ the Genelec GLM system.

The DDRC-24 and 8030c would be a big upgrade together for about $2.1k new.

Thank you for another comprehensive reply Mort.
Should I ever go powered speaker route, you have explained how to do that, perfectly.

 

[DavidEdwinAston]

Sorry, double posting.

 

[Mort]

I don't think the 8320a or 8030c would be a suitable upgrade path from the Ascend LX's

The scenario was with subs and was a system playing rock at 75db, not straight up.

 

[ivayvr]

I wish Genelec made something like the Adam D3V
Just hook up a phone to them with a USB cable and be done
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I did just that (with D3V for my near field system) and I couldn't be happier!
If they were made by Genelec, they would probably be out of my price range for a secondary system!
I am not implying that they would be too expensive.