You can use your iPad or iPhone as a remote control for your AppleTV which is playing the music lossless (if you set it up like that) to your AVR. No need for the TV to be switched on.
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Interesting. That is how I hoped it would work but everything I read said that it would just send the audio though the ipad over airplay if you did that. So there is a way to have the ipad be a control for the apple tv and not just the apple tv mirroring the ipad screen and streaming audio sent via airplay? What is the setup mentioned required to make it work like that?
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I swear that the 5.2.2 GLM update (beta) seems to be doing a better job with room correction. I don't know how though. This is with one sub in the same room. I think OLD is 5.2.0 because they reverted.
You look for music on your iPad/iphone, press play, and then use AirPlay to the Apple TV. The Apple TV streams the music directly to your AVR and then acts as the source. The iPhone/pad becomes a remote. I play lossless and Atmos content that way.
It’s AirPlay if you stream to the AVR’s AirPlay receiver. Then your iPhone acts as the source and it’s not lossless.
Thanks. Leave it to "intuitive" apple to use airplay in two completely different ways w/o any explanation. I've never meshed well with their stuff since the early Mac days when you had to drag a disk to the trash can to eject it. Not erase it, just eject it. No Mac fan could ever tell me what you did if you actually wanted to erase it.
Apparently they eventually added an feature that turned the trash can into some other icon if you started dragging a disk.
The correction is done in the cloud, unless you download a specific very old local correction package. So they can update the algorithm in the server whenever. Just curious, were those measurements both done without moving the microphone?
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Thanks again for this info. Picked up an ipad this morning and it's so much more convenient than the apple tv remote.
The remote is great - for TV. For music not so much... I really like browsing music on the iPad, the convenience of streaming combined with my own uploaded music. You have to check around a bit though, especially with updates. Don't know why they don't make proper manuals anymore. Nobody reads them I guess 
There's always some searching involved.
I've got the Apple TV on a wired connection but do experience some weird stutter sometimes (it's a fast connection).
There's always some searching involved.I've got the Apple TV on a wired connection but do experience some weird stutter sometimes (it's a fast connection).
I'll share a handy tip for anyone that has Genelec smart monitors. You can make a breakout cable that lets you run just a cat-x (network) cable and a power cable to the speaker and use all of the speaker's features. GLM uses pins 1&2 of the network cables used to connect the speakers, and it can be connected in a star configuration rather than daisy chain. Genelec even sells a hub for this which is just a simple passive box with 10 RJ45 jacks on a PCB shorting pins 1&2 together for all 10 jacks.
So that leaves three more pairs to run balanced connections. One for analog in, one for digital in, and one for digital pass through. If you use SFTP or SSTP cables (recommended, they're cheap) all the pairs are shielded from each other and you can connect the ground pins for the three XLR connectors. I made mine from some cheap cat-8 SFTP cables and neutrik XLR connectors, only about 8 inches in length. I use RJ45 couplers to attach whatever longer length cat cables I need. There are ground preserving and ground breaking couplers so you can lift ground if you need to, although since it's all balanced probably won't need to.
I originally had breakouts at the other end as well, but I've switched to AOIP and the AOIP boxes I'm using have their outputs on DB25 connectors. So I got some DB25->RJ45 breakout boards and run those into a 24 port RJ45 punch down patch panel. So now I just plug the speaker's cat cables into the patch panel. GLM is wired to all the patch panel ports. Each port also gets an analog channel, and each adjacent pair of ports have digital sent to the first port, and then the digital pass through connected to the digital in of the second port. No issues with impedance matching from y-splitting AES/EBU that way.
Since I have a lot of SAM monitors getting it down to a single small cable to each from the source and no GLM daisy chain was really nice. Power can come from the closest outlet to each speaker.
So that leaves three more pairs to run balanced connections. One for analog in, one for digital in, and one for digital pass through. If you use SFTP or SSTP cables (recommended, they're cheap) all the pairs are shielded from each other and you can connect the ground pins for the three XLR connectors. I made mine from some cheap cat-8 SFTP cables and neutrik XLR connectors, only about 8 inches in length. I use RJ45 couplers to attach whatever longer length cat cables I need. There are ground preserving and ground breaking couplers so you can lift ground if you need to, although since it's all balanced probably won't need to.
I originally had breakouts at the other end as well, but I've switched to AOIP and the AOIP boxes I'm using have their outputs on DB25 connectors. So I got some DB25->RJ45 breakout boards and run those into a 24 port RJ45 punch down patch panel. So now I just plug the speaker's cat cables into the patch panel. GLM is wired to all the patch panel ports. Each port also gets an analog channel, and each adjacent pair of ports have digital sent to the first port, and then the digital pass through connected to the digital in of the second port. No issues with impedance matching from y-splitting AES/EBU that way.
Since I have a lot of SAM monitors getting it down to a single small cable to each from the source and no GLM daisy chain was really nice. Power can come from the closest outlet to each speaker.
Do you mind sharing a picture of one of the cable ends, curious to see how it looks?
Sure. I make no claims to being a master cable craftsman.
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very cool. Had I already not struggled and gotten some wiring done, would have tried this. Maybe genelec should take note and help us reduce them wires with an adapter like that.
cc @Ilkka Rissanen
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The Apple Music app on the Apple TV is bad software. If I browse around much it gets slow and then just randomly crashes. Songs will stop playing the middle, etc. So far it seems more stable as just a sink for the Ipad. Seems there a lot of don't upgrade from OS 18 to OS 26 advice on the ipad as well. Sad that the don't let you downgrade if you don't like the changes.The remote is great - for TV. For music not so much... I really like browsing music on the iPad, the convenience of streaming combined with my own uploaded music. You have to check around a bit though, especially with updates. Don't know why they don't make proper manuals anymore. Nobody reads them I guess
I've got the Apple TV on a wired connection but do experience some weird stutter sometimes (it's a fast connection).
Thanks. Yeah I really wish Genelec offered a cable like this and a matching opposite end. My previous setup was dual use analog/digital. So six cables (GLM In/Out, Analog In, Digital In/Out, Power) off the back of a few speakers was a lot. I said no way I'm running all that for a full immersive setup.
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Yeah wiring is a pain. I have an older house with tiny bit of asbestos in there. So can't just start cutting drywall to put outlets and all. Had to run some ugly raceways carrying all of the wires. Also a reason why I prefer digital over analog, since I can at least daisy chain and reduce 1 extra wire.Thanks. Yeah I really wish Genelec offered a cable like this and a matching opposite end. My previous setup was dual use analog/digital. So six cables (GLM In/Out, Analog In, Digital In/Out, Power) off the back of a few speakers was a lot. I said no way I'm running all that for a full immersive setup.
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Does use of the iPad to control the Apple TV unit require having an iPhone?
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No, just a free Apple ID is required which comes with 5GB of iCloud storage.
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For analog source in 2.1 with GLM, do I cable the Left and Right channels to the sub first and then on to the respective mains? This says to add an LFE as well, but I don't think that is true when using GLM.
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