Genelec G2 (8020) measurements

[Miguelón]

Hi,

Here are the scores and EQs.
Great effort again
I am not quite sure about the LF directivity. Did you just spliced the LF the same on all responses?
The port being on the back, I would expect something different but I might be wrong.
Could you share the raw data i.e V and H responses at all angles?

The raw data:
Score no EQ: 5.44
With Sub: 7.78
Spinorama with no EQ:

• Not as Flat as I would have expected, maybe because the multimedia usage?

View attachment 97161
EQ design:
I have generated two EQs. The APO config files are attached.

• The first one, labelled, LW is targeted at making the LW flat
• The second, labelled Score, starts with the first one and adds the score as an optimization variable.
• The EQs are designed in the context of regular stereo use i.e. domestic environment, no warranty is provided for a near field use in a studio environment although the LW might be better suited for this purpose.
• Careful listening test would be required as the LW vs Score are very close. not quite sure if the score reflects this.

Score EQ LW: 6.10
with sub: 8.44
Score EQ Score: 6.43
with sub: 8.76

Genelec 8020 (G2) APO EQ LW 96000Hz
December042020-101906

Preamp: -2.4 dB

Filter 1: ON PK Fc 389 Hz Gain 1.02 dB Q 3.75
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 720 Hz Gain 1.85 dB Q 6.6
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 1461 Hz Gain 2 dB Q 1.11
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 3379 Hz Gain -1.79 dB Q 3.84
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 4770 Hz Gain 1.03 dB Q 2.1
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 8219 Hz Gain -1.03 dB Q 3.1
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 12324 Hz Gain 2.41 dB Q 1.87

Genelec 8020 (G2) APO EQ Score 96000Hz
December042020-101701

Preamp: -2.2 dB

Filter 1: ON PK Fc 404.6 Hz Gain 1.22 dB Q 4.13
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 699 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 7.6
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 1454 Hz Gain 2 dB Q 0.91
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 3461 Hz Gain -1.79 dB Q 4
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 4459 Hz Gain 1.03 dB Q 1.26
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 8219 Hz Gain -0.77 dB Q 2.03
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 11790 Hz Gain 1.85 dB Q 3.65

View attachment 97158
Spinorama EQ LW
View attachment 97159
Spinorama EQ Score
View attachment 97160
Zoom PIR-LW-ON
View attachment 97164
Regression - Tonal
View attachment 97163
Radar no EQ vs EQ score
some improvements
View attachment 97162

Thanks for the >400 Hz EQ, my measurements are not trustable over 300 Hz, I tried the optimized variable and sound way more clean at mids, can even compete with my 8030C that is on the living room

 

[Miguelón]

Hi,

Here are the scores and EQs.
Great effort again
I am not quite sure about the LF directivity. Did you just spliced the LF the same on all responses?
The port being on the back, I would expect something different but I might be wrong.
Could you share the raw data i.e V and H responses at all angles?

The raw data:
Score no EQ: 5.44
With Sub: 7.78
Spinorama with no EQ:

• Not as Flat as I would have expected, maybe because the multimedia usage?

View attachment 97161
EQ design:
I have generated two EQs. The APO config files are attached.

• The first one, labelled, LW is targeted at making the LW flat
• The second, labelled Score, starts with the first one and adds the score as an optimization variable.
• The EQs are designed in the context of regular stereo use i.e. domestic environment, no warranty is provided for a near field use in a studio environment although the LW might be better suited for this purpose.
• Careful listening test would be required as the LW vs Score are very close. not quite sure if the score reflects this.

Score EQ LW: 6.10
with sub: 8.44
Score EQ Score: 6.43
with sub: 8.76

Genelec 8020 (G2) APO EQ LW 96000Hz
December042020-101906

Preamp: -2.4 dB

Filter 1: ON PK Fc 389 Hz Gain 1.02 dB Q 3.75
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 720 Hz Gain 1.85 dB Q 6.6
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 1461 Hz Gain 2 dB Q 1.11
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 3379 Hz Gain -1.79 dB Q 3.84
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 4770 Hz Gain 1.03 dB Q 2.1
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 8219 Hz Gain -1.03 dB Q 3.1
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 12324 Hz Gain 2.41 dB Q 1.87

Genelec 8020 (G2) APO EQ Score 96000Hz
December042020-101701

Preamp: -2.2 dB

Filter 1: ON PK Fc 404.6 Hz Gain 1.22 dB Q 4.13
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 699 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 7.6
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 1454 Hz Gain 2 dB Q 0.91
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 3461 Hz Gain -1.79 dB Q 4
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 4459 Hz Gain 1.03 dB Q 1.26
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 8219 Hz Gain -0.77 dB Q 2.03
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 11790 Hz Gain 1.85 dB Q 3.65

View attachment 97158
Spinorama EQ LW
View attachment 97159
Spinorama EQ Score
View attachment 97160
Zoom PIR-LW-ON
View attachment 97164
Regression - Tonal
View attachment 97163
Radar no EQ vs EQ score
some improvements
View attachment 97162

We have to thanks again to your amazing work on equalization: we have 8030C in the living room and 8020D on a desk but due to complexity of the living room we struggled a lot with room modes on 8030C setup.

We measured 8020D at the same floor-stands where we have the 8030C and were so much friendly in the lows, unfortunately the mids were not so clear.

Now with your EQ we have best of both worlds, the super clean mids of 8030C and the less energy in lows of the 8020D, so we’re going to sell our 8030Cs and buy 7040A subwoofer, and we probably have enough to a pair of 8010A for the computer desktop.

Our on axis measurement of 8020D is now ruler flat (near field), and if want some ambience is enough to switch of the PEQ and the 8020D have a nice warm character in our room at lower volumes!

 

[Miguelón]

Bought a secondhand pair of 8020B in good condition about 8 months ago, still having trouble warming up to them, very used to my HS5.

Something is odd about the lowend on the 8020, they have substantially more bass than the HS5 but dont go as low, and this seems to create some confusion in the low mids. Wind up with a mix with a low end very tailored to the speakers and the low mid stripped out. Not sure if I can get used to this.

They have a ton of depth and detail, I can get used to that, maybe a larger size speaker from genelec would be better. 8020 reveal space in my mix that can be filled out, that I thought I didn't have on HS5. They do contrast well with HS5 on a monitor switcher to keep things in check, but overall things done on HS5 translate better to 8020 than the other way around for me thus far. Hard to compete with like a decade on HS5 though.

Yamaha HS5 has a very brilliant sound because it’s protruding region around 1 kHz, low end decays gradually and one has to “feel” it doesn’t behave as 5 inch speaker, but it does.

8020D is 4 inches and stops around 60 Hz but if you look the FQ and spinorama it is a little bit up around 70 Hz, and 200 Hz so it sounds as “punchy” but doesn’t go as low in frequency response as HS5.

The natural comparison Yamaha vs Genelec should be HS5 vs 8030