shake it off...err shake it out?Subwoofer + toilet combo!
shake it off...err shake it out?Subwoofer + toilet combo!
Some perhaps. I'd say ASR denizens share aI understand that ASR doesn’t really believe in different priorities though.
You could just put a thick blanket on it and it will sound like any BBC speaker ever madeHmm I recomend reading Tooles book ( I'm 1/3 into it ) it makes the body of knowledge accessible for the reader then there are references to the real papers behind it all . It's more nuanced than some folks make it out on this pages and imo it is solid science . And you get the mono speaker part
People have suggested waldo should try to EQ a typical "BBC dipp" but will this work due to the genelecs disperson ?
What i understand (from reading here at ASR) the typical 2 way speaker with "BBC dipp" also comes with a corresponding directivity error in the same region this changes how they sound in room ?
So in the same way speakers with huge directivity discontinuities does work not well with EQ . EQ works the direct and reflected sound it cant be separated, so you muck up the direct sound by eq based on some room measurement.
A speaker like the genelec is probably well suited to EQ but i supose ,for the same reasons cant emulate a speaker with directivity errors trough EQ ?
Or is the direct sound so important that it's good enough anyway ?
You could just put a thick blanket on it and it will sound like any BBC speaker ever made
Sure. We music lovers can continue to enjoy our spendors, harbeths and quads, and you audio scientists can have the genelecs. Or to paraphrase Henny Youngman: take my Genelecs, please.You could just put a thick blanket on it and it will sound like any BBC speaker ever made
Why don't EQ these genelec to your preference?.Sure. We music lovers can continue to enjoy our spendors, harbeths and quads, and you audio scientists can have the genelecs. Or to paraphrase Henny Youngman: take my Genelecs, please.
Sure. We music lovers can continue to enjoy our spendors, harbeths and quads, and you audio scientists can have the genelecs. Or to paraphrase Henny Youngman: take my Genelecs, please.
Well for starters, in 2021, the so-called preference target you're likely referring to (there are several) doesn't actually account for all of the perceived sound quality.Why in 2021, the people still get so many problem to find his own preference target? :l
Instead of say '' magic mid range '', '' audio scientists speakers '', '' fun speakers '' why don't just spend these time for find his own preference target?, always people is talking about the speakers sound but never the sound that THEY LIKE.
Thank you and also thank to pozz for your suggestions.For my various Genelec speakers, I only use their dedicated K&M stands (which only come in black) but I have used other stands shown below:
I bought these white stands from Amazon (Kanto speaker stands) and like them, stable enough for my needs, "living room friendly" and the plates rotate so you can "toe in" the plate without having to turn the stands themselves!
For my studio I use these Ultimate Support stands (from Sweetwater) They come in red as shown below and also all black.
Are the violins and pianos artificial sounding?Thank you and also thank to pozz for your suggestions.
They arrived this evening actually and I just installed them on wooden garden chairs in the living room for the moment.
The feeds "Iso-Pods" are quite large (around 22cmx22cm) so the stands might need a larger surface.
Would not want to see them fall over .
I leave in Luxembourg so will have to find an European solution .
Just as a feed back, it took me approx 10 minutes to install them, update and run GLM.
What a beautiful product, how easy.
Sure, I will need maybe a bit more fine tuning (EQ) to my preferred "coloration".
It took me 2 years (hard time scrutinizing) to find the right ones for me; so far (after 3 hours only) I am very happy.
No. I talked about the own personal preference/taste.Well for starters, in 2021, the so-called preference target you're likely referring to (there are several) doesn't actually account for all of the perceived sound quality.
Right. FR corrected to ANY target, even your own personal one, doesn't account for all of the perceived sound quality. Mostly because a simple 2-dimensional capture doesn't necessarily represent what you perceive, unless your room is an anechoic chamber. Otherwise, there is reflected sound, sound that is time-delayed, and resonances. There is also FR deviations that are smoothed out when you make corrections, but aren't necessarily inaudible. Sound also strikes the external ear at different angles of incidence.No. I talked about the own personal preference/taste.
The FR that you like the most, the target that you only knows.
LOLAre the violins and pianos artificial sounding?
Anyways congrats
The first thing that you need to get right is the FR to your taste.Right. FR corrected to ANY target, even your own personal one, doesn't account for all of the perceived sound quality.
Sorry, just trying to make a joke. Guess it didn’t go over. It does seem like there are two cultures. I see very little discussion of musical instruments, timber, space, etc here. Just not your interest i think. You all talk about frequency response and waveguides and I think you believe those are more accurate and scientific ways of talking as opposed to my way, which you see as soft, aimless, fuzzy subjectivism. I think we understand each other, and just have different interests. We all aren’t listening to speakers for the same reasons.Why in 2021, the people still get so many problem to find his own preference target? :l
Instead of say '' magic mid range '', '' audio scientists speakers '', '' fun speakers '' why don't just spend these time for find his own preference target?, always people is talking about the speakers sound but never the sound that THEY LIKE.
Think about it this way:You all talk about frequency response and waveguides and I think you believe those are more accurate and scientific ways of talking as opposed to my way, which you see as soft, aimless, fuzzy subjectivism. I think we understand each other, and just have different interests. We all aren’t listening to speakers for the same reasons.
I had many guitars and hours of practice with my drummer friend.Sorry, just trying to make a joke. Guess it didn’t go over. It does seem like there are two cultures. I see very little discussion of musical instruments, timber, space, etc here. Just not your interest i think. You all talk about frequency response and waveguides and I think you believe those are more accurate and scientific ways of talking as opposed to my way, which you see as soft, aimless, fuzzy subjectivism. I think we understand each other, and just have different interests. We all aren’t listening to speakers for the same reasons.
Also, I wasn’t trying to insult the Genelecs; even I understand they are excellent in many ways. I was just trying to say that for the music I like, I don’t like these speakers because I find them bright and hard, and I couldn’t fix it with glm and judicious eq.
You must admit that most of you all have about the same opinion of bbc monitors or quads that I have about genelecs, only in reverse. Hence the comment about the blanket. I don’t mind such barbs. In retort, I’d just say that I agree that it might be useful to try the blanket.
You just need more hours of practice with the EQI couldn’t fix it with glm and judicious eq.
Sorry, just trying to make a joke. Guess it didn’t go over. It does seem like there are two cultures. I see very little discussion of musical instruments, timber, space, etc here. Just not your interest i think. You all talk about frequency response and waveguides and I think you believe those are more accurate and scientific ways of talking as opposed to my way, which you see as soft, aimless, fuzzy subjectivism. I think we understand each other, and just have different interests. We all aren’t listening to speakers for the same reasons.
Also, I wasn’t trying to insult the Genelecs; even I understand they are excellent in many ways. I was just trying to say that for the music I like, I don’t like these speakers because I find them bright and hard, and I couldn’t fix it with glm and judicious eq.
You must admit that most of you all have about the same opinion of bbc monitors or quads that I have about genelecs, only in reverse. Hence the comment about the blanket. I don’t mind such barbs. In retort, I’d just say that I agree that it might be useful to try the blanket