Genelec 8361A Review (Powered Monitor)

[Esprit]

Thread 'Neumann KH420 Review (Studio Monitor)'
https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/neumann-kh420-review-studio-monitor.33529/

 

[Dgob]

Thread 'Neumann KH420 Review (Studio Monitor)'
https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/neumann-kh420-review-studio-monitor.33529/

I'm not certain why it's been suggested that the Neumann's are "better" than the Genelec option? The data in the reviews does not seem to suggest that. Indeed, Amir suggests that:

"I think the KH420 has deeper bass. The Genelec a bit better overall tonality."

For those who use GLM to pair the 8361A's with either the Genelec 73X0A subs, or (more optimally) with the W371A, I really cannot see any reason why a switch would make any sense.

 

[Behrelec 37]

GLM is a weapon that goes beyond many necessary benefits. It is a voice-bending program that changes the entire behavior of the voice structure more than many of you can really properly understand how many sound images or changes in sound rhythm are available. Yes, there are millions of changes available from the GLM settings, but many people are not able to separate them from each other very effectively using their hearing.

It is as if you were looking at a slow-motion swarm of mosquitoes near your face and could distinguish each individual to your advantage. Of course, following the behavior of the swarm, different shape variations often emerge. Everyone notices that in mosquitoes or birds or fish, because everyone sums up the perception of reality with the processing of your brain. But if your eyes or ears become trained over time, the perception of reality will emerge over time, better processed. The sound image and the tempo and rhythmic nature are better and of course easier to modify than if you are a novice music listener or a half-deaf person, or a man/woman too old to learn anything new and wonderful.

 

[FrantzM]

Hi FrantzM, where is Amir' review?

Neuman KH420 Review
Neumann KH150 Review
Neumann KH120 Review

Peace.

 

[Mort]

GLM is a weapon that goes beyond many necessary benefits. It is a voice-bending program that changes the entire behavior of the voice structure more than many of you can really properly understand how many sound images or changes in sound rhythm are available. Yes, there are millions of changes available from the GLM settings, but many people are not able to separate them from each other very effectively using their hearing.

It is as if you were looking at a slow-motion swarm of mosquitoes near your face and could distinguish each individual to your advantage. Of course, following the behavior of the swarm, different shape variations often emerge. Everyone notices that in mosquitoes or birds or fish, because everyone sums up the perception of reality with the processing of your brain. But if your eyes or ears become trained over time, the perception of reality will emerge over time, better processed. The sound image and the tempo and rhythmic nature are better and of course easier to modify than if you are a novice music listener or a half-deaf person, or a man/woman too old to learn anything new and wonderful.

Please stop. This is subjective nonsense.

 

[Purité Audio]

PJ has serious competition for the number one Genelec fan position!
Keith

 

[Esprit]

I'm not certain why it's been suggested that the Neumann's are "better" than the Genelec option?

As already written above, the perfect speaker does not exist.
There is a preference score to try to draw up a ranking.
The KH420 have much more bass for example.
Personally, I prefer the Genelec, but at the same price (there are certainly better products above) the Neumann are an excellent product.

 

[Behrelec 37]

Science is a great servant. But a bad master. Science is needed to make life easier for everyone. i

Technology should be utilized within the limits when it is possible at any given time. Although quite a few hi-fi enthusiasts are starting to switch to DSP-based room correction systems from various manufacturers. Because it solves so many changing situations with one blow. and that is a great thing.

 

[Mort]

Has Amir found any other loudspeakers yet that measure better than the

Genelec 8361A?​

'measure' gets tricky, but his three favorites are

1) Revel Salon 2
2) Neumann KH420
3) 8361a


note that he listens without a sub and reviews in mono. There are some caveats with that.

 

[Dgob]

As already written above, the perfect speaker does not exist.
There is a preference score to try to draw up a ranking.
The KH420 have much more bass for example.
Personally, I prefer the Genelec, but at the same price (there are certainly better products above) the Neumann are an excellent product.

Exactly: once we agree on the terms 'perfect' and 'better', of course!

 

[thewas]

PJ has serious competition for the number one Genelec fan position!
Keith

Truth to be said there exists an even more extreme Neumann fanboy in this forum.

 

[Curvature]

Science is a great servant. But a bad master. Science is needed to make life easier for everyone.

Technology should be utilized within the limits when it is possible at any given time. Although quite a few hi-fi enthusiasts are starting to switch to DSP-based room correction systems from various manufacturers. Because it solves so many changing situations with one blow. and that is a great thing.

Same advice about limits applies to poetic language too.

 

[Behrelec 37]

From science, one could mention a very bad development direction, for example self-driving cars, which would already be in the thousands in cities among other traffic. And then if there were big forest fires around the city and there would be smoke everywhere, but these moving missiles would only go forward because the robot is guiding them. Many people would die in collisions as a result of this development choice, because they did not know how to build foolproof self-driving cars, taking into account changing weather conditions properly.

 

[poopy]

'measure' gets tricky, but his three favorites are

1) Revel Salon 2
2) Neumann KH320
3) 8361a


note that he listens without a sub and reviews in mono. There are some caveats with that.

He wrote KH310 but I think he meant KH420

 

[Mort]

Yes, probably the 420.

 

[Mort]

From science, one could mention a very bad development direction, for example self-driving cars, which would already be in the thousands in cities among other traffic. And then if there were big forest fires around the city and there would be smoke everywhere, but these moving missiles would only go forward because the robot is guiding them. Many people would die in collisions as a result of this development choice, because they did not know how to build foolproof self-driving cars, taking into account changing weather conditions properly.

.....aaaaaaaaaand you are going on ignore.

 

[Behrelec 37]

 

[Tisca]

....

Ranking table of speaker's measurements

www.spinorama.org

Whose list is this and how are points given etc.?

 

[staticV3]

Whose list is this and how are points given etc.?

The list was created by @pierre, is constantly updated as new spin data is uploaded to the site, and scores are given according to an algorithm designed by Dr. Toole and @Sean Olive, that predicts loudspeaker preference: https://seanolive.blogspot.com/2008/12/part-3-relationship-between-loudspeaker.html

 

[Muddywaters]

From science, one could mention a very bad development direction, for example self-driving cars, which would already be in the thousands in cities among other traffic. And then if there were big forest fires around the city and there would be smoke everywhere, but these moving missiles would only go forward because the robot is guiding them. Many people would die in collisions as a result of this development choice, because they did not know how to build foolproof self-driving cars, taking into account changing weather conditions properly.

Yeah…

Same would happen if aliens invaded right?