There ‘shouldn’t’ be any unless Genelec are using an extremely poor SRC, which was possible twenty five years ago!
So easy to deceive yourself.
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So easy to deceive yourself.
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Yes, apart from the above noted potential benefits and already acknowledged risks, that is always going to be a possibility for any impression gained without measurement. Thank goodness for Amir and this site (and our hearing).
I listened to 8351+W371 and 8381 recently. Short review, 8381 was more immersive. That's how I'd describe it. There's so many factors that come into play so hard to say. These two setups were in different rooms. My plan is adding W371s to my 8361s, some day.
EDIT: I snapped a photo while I was having a sonic brain massage.
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Interesting thanks
Immersive because of more bass or bigger soundstage?
Tough one. They had all the Ones the same wall, all paired with some sub. The bigger, the better it sounded. It could very well be because listening spot was too far away for the smaller ones, not because they had less low end. It felt/sounded like the bigger the speakers, the more coverage of sound my face got, if that makes sense. I was not able to pinpoint the source of sound on bigger ones. Very diminishing return for the money as I'm sure you can expect.
Could you hear the hiss generated by the W371a?
what do you think the difference between the ones and amphion?
Are they really that shiny in the "black" version?
Didn't really listen to them in Off mode. Are they reported to have hiss?
Didn't listen to the Amphions.
No. Spotlights were close and rest of the room dark.
Thank you
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Do they? SPL limitation of the first two as well vertical directivity of all of them is worse, everything is a compromise.
The question is how you define ´measure better´. My guess would be it is pretty much depending on the given application and the personal preference which measurements are most important.
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We will see the top of the line products of AsciLab.
Then he did not measure everything.
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There are clear compromises and tradeoffs.
8351B has smoother directivity, particularly in the HF (where it matters less), but it is a smaller speaker and its pattern control does not extend as low and it does not play as loud.
S360A has textbook excellent horizontal directivity and plays astoundingly loud for its size, but, somewhat anachronistically, poor vertical directivity. Spectral shifts are heard if changing the height of your head.
The D&D 8C has better pattern control overall, extending lower, but directivity is a little less smooth, and it plays less loud and has fairly high distortion, although for a number of reasons the latter is not objectionable. Vertical directivity is ok.
The 8381A has tight pattern control and several other unique features, plays loud, but has a prominent horizontal directivity error.
The Neumann speakers prioritize the flattest on axis response, constant directivity off axis (which causes a characteristic change in slope at lower frequencies, at the crossover point from the waveguided tweeter to the woofer or mid), and lowest distortion. They also all feature optimized vertical directivity, avoiding the sharp cancelations other speakers show.
The JBL CBT1000 speakers are unique in what they achieve in pattern control and use of reflections, although not without directivity errors.
IMO, these are the top speakers in the field, not considering less prominent or boutique manufacturers. Some others could be mentioned, but we don't have the data to be sure, like Meyer, Danley, Magico.
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I should have included in the above list:
There's no completely obvious better choice. For the money, the 8361A is hard to beat. For unlimited money and the right circumstances, I would likely choose 8361A and W371A. If i were choosing based on aesthetics, I like the squat S360A. I just wish they would address the vertical cancelations.
- The mighty JBL M2, although we don't have recent Klippel scans, we do have good measurements from S&R.
- The Perlisten line, although we only have high resolution measurements for one of their smaller speakers thanks to Erin.
- The recently-measured Grimm LS1, with very wide and smooth directivity.
- KEF Blade 2 Meta.
- Kii Three.
There's no completely obvious better choice. For the money, the 8361A is hard to beat. For unlimited money and the right circumstances, I would likely choose 8361A and W371A. If i were choosing based on aesthetics, I like the squat S360A. I just wish they would address the vertical cancelations.
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Thanks for the replies.
BTW, in case anybody is interested there’s a pair of these for sale secondhand on US audio Mart:
BTW, in case anybody is interested there’s a pair of these for sale secondhand on US audio Mart:
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The only honest answer you can get in comparison to competitors is when both competitor speakers are in the same room, and both products of different brands are approximately as close to each other and speaker size to each other as it is possible to get.
When the speakers are the same size, then only then does the most honest competition begin, starting from which abilities shine and how many different styles of music sources are reproduced most balancedly or shall we say most believably.
The music could be, for example, violin playing. piano playing, saxophone playing, and high-level popular music. but also heavier heavy metal, where electronic music clearly differs from these other sound styles.
The sound balance of the speakers is measured by how naturally they correspond to realism when you walk outdoors and hear similar sounds there without echoes, thus mirroring your experiences using memory.
The only honest answer you can get in comparison to competitors is when both competitor speakers are in the same room, and both products of different brands are approximately as close to each other and speaker size to each other as it is possible to get.
When the speakers are the same size, then only then does the most honest competition begin, starting from which abilities shine and how many different styles of music sources are reproduced most balancedly or shall we say most believably.
The music could be, for example, violin playing. piano playing, saxophone playing, and high-level popular music. but also heavier heavy metal, where electronic music clearly differs from these other sound styles.
The sound balance of the speakers is measured by how naturally they correspond to realism when you walk outdoors and hear similar sounds there without echoes, thus mirroring your experiences using memory.
Hi FrantzM, where is Amir' review?
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