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Genelec 8361A Review (Powered Monitor)

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srrxr71

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@Blockader - Thank you for those useful clarifications, much appreciated. Do you think a pair of the 8361A/W371 combo would be enough or ideal for a superb music listening experience in a home?

In one of the case studies on the Genelec site, an audiophile has done exactly that but now I understand why he added a 7380 to the mix. The job of the 7380 would the be to address the lows, for instance from 20 to 60Hz. Not sure if this is really necessary as the W371 go down to about 25Hz or 30Hz. Is there a PEQ facility within GLM, particularly for the lower 2 octaves?
It’s not really necessary. I ordered and received 2 massive Rhythmik subs to integrate with Trinnov. I don’t use them. More trouble than it’s worth.

I didn’t know you can use GLM to calibrate a 7380 with the w371. I have 2 7360 I can bring down and try and see for myself. I’m just not motivated enough to do it.
 

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I use a pair of 8341 near field, no subs.
I've been eyeing a 7360 or 7370 for some time. More of a want out of curiosity than a need.
I had that setup and got a 7360. Then a second one. I would put the single 7360 in the middle as I could hear the off center bass but my crossover was at 100Hz in an attempt to cure a room null.

It made a difference but honestly price to performance and headache factor it’s okay to just stay with the 8341s.

Now saving up for w371 is what I would recommend. Beg borrow or steal.
 

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I can confirm they are an absolute pain to move single person. Main worry is because of their size, shape, and weight they feel slippery and liable to fall out of the hands. There are no sharp edges on their sides, so nothing to wedge into. I’d ask for help from someone else to avoid having an expensive whoopsie.
One hand on the strap and one in the port or better (for me) hold the isopods. But be careful. The isopods move too.

I was able to get them on the K&N stands. Not easy but doable.
 

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As you requested. The early reflection is hurt by the proximity of the mic to my arm chair’s headrest.

I’ve had reports with all green if I keep the mic further from the headrest.

That dip between 1khz-2khz is my problem but Trinnov sorts that out for me. It’s also a headrest issue.
 

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This is what it looks like if I use a foam roller to move the microphone away from the headrest.


I’ve gotten lazy about optimizing. It’s funny my previous calibrations were better. One thing I did was to move them apart more to get a wider soundstage. I like that much better even if the number look worse. I think I need to work on getting better results.
 

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Just for talking about cabinets, usually, asr don't tend to focus much more and i was curious to see what results give a alum small cabinet vs a floorstanding MDF for example
While the R11 is not the best cabinet u are going to find, i see the genelec to look worse, what about that?



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Just for talking about cabinets, usually, asr don't tend to focus much more and i was curious to see what results give a alum small cabinet vs a floorstanding MDF for example
While the R11 is not the best cabinet u are going to find, i see the genelec to look worse, what about that?



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It appears the scale of each graph is different. For the Genelec each main division in the dB scale is 10dB whereas in the KEF each one is 5dB. Not sure how that impacts the comparability of the graphs, but thought it was worth mentioning.
 

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Just for talking about cabinets, usually, asr don't tend to focus much more and i was curious to see what results give a alum small cabinet vs a floorstanding MDF for example
While the R11 is not the best cabinet u are going to find, i see the genelec to look worse, what about that?



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The plots aren’t really comparable as the vertical scale is different. The 8361’s scale is 110 to 75 (35), the R11’s is 80 to 60. (20). Redraw the Genelec’s at the same scale and all those resonances disappear into the floor…

Stereophile tested the cabinet of the G3 (8030) for resonances and I believe it was one of the (maybe the most) inert cabinet they ever measured.
 

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The plots aren’t really comparable as the vertical scale is different. The 8361’s scale is 110 to 75 (35), the R11’s is 80 to 60. (20). Redraw the Genelec’s at the same scale and all those resonances disappear into the floor…

Stereophile tested the cabinet of the G3 (8030) for resonances and I believe it was one of the (maybe the most) inert cabinet they ever measured.
But the genelec because is very loudly in that measurements, floor noise is irrelevant


I saw the 8030, looks great. But i think tame a 5'' mid range shouldn't be that hard, to be honest i consider a woofer 6'' and above
 

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But the genelec because is very loudly in that measurements, floor noise is irrelevant


I saw the 8030, looks great. But i think tame a 5'' mid range shouldn't be that hard, to be honest i consider a woofer 6'' and above
I don’t mean “noise floor”, I mean the floor of the chart.
You can make those charts look clean or dirty simply by the vertical scale you choose to use.
 

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I don’t mean “noise floor”, I mean the floor of the chart.
You can make those charts look clean or dirty simply by the vertical scale you choose to use.
Well, the problem is the standardization with cabinet measurements, so they are useless. Best for now is Stereophile i think.
 

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This is my waterfall. I have a room mode on both at 33.3Hz. I just notch that out with a high Q filter in GLM.
 

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The plots aren’t really comparable as the vertical scale is different. The 8361’s scale is 110 to 75 (35), the R11’s is 80 to 60. (20). Redraw the Genelec’s at the same scale and all those resonances disappear into the floor…

Stereophile tested the cabinet of the G3 (8030) for resonances and I believe it was one of the (maybe the most) inert cabinet they ever measured.
Talking about the cabinet, this measurement also refer to cabinet, but i see the genelec is not the best. It's the Q acoustic concept 300 bookshelf the best for what i see ( talking about bookshelfs.. )
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Genelec
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Talking about the cabinet, this measurement also refer to cabinet, but i see the genelec is not the best. It's the Q acoustic concept 300 bookshelf the best for what i see ( talking about bookshelfs.. )
120Q300fig11.jpg

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Genelec
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Well, cant say I agree with you. The accelerometer spectral decay tells a better story about the cabinets imo: (images courtesy of Stereophile’s reviews)

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Q Acoustics Concept 300:
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Again, look at the vertical scales in the images. The Genelec was measured -6 dB lower in level than the Q Acoustic else nothing would show up on the plot!
 

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Well, cant say I agree with you. The accelerometer spectral decay tells a better story about the cabinets imo: (images courtesy of Stereophile’s reviews)

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Again, look at the vertical scales in the images. The Genelec was measured -6 dB lower in level than the Q Acoustic else nothing would show up on the plot!
Yeah but if i think correctly, put a accelerometer in the cabinet doesn't tell you much about what are you going to hear but the behavior between the accelerometer with the surface, wood by itself translate more the sound to the object that touch. This is not even much of a real test.
By other hand, doing an alum enclousure without any more solution ain't going to kill the mid and highs frequency stuff, this is clearly translate into reality-measurements at the '' cumulative spectral-decay plot on HF axis '', this is pretty much what are you going to hear and more of a reality test.

The concept clearly shows a much better measurements there <comulative spectral decay HF axis>, and if you take a look at the solution made by Q acoustics it's just better, and this translate exactly at the measurements in the cumulative spectral decay ''. My take is the cumulative is more of a real test rather than a raw measurement.
For example, the amir benchmark salon n°2:
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genelec:
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Is just a mess vs the Genelec, and i don't think in any day at the week the genelec 8030 is better cabinet in real listening vs the salon n2.
And these are the cumulative from Salon n°2
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But this looks kind of similar, which again is more connected to the reality.
And this Genelec 8030.
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That's my take. Sorry but I'd say the cumulative spectrial decay worth a lot more than the other one, i'd say it's only usefull for find huge resonances in the enclouse and see if is going to be problematic in the real world, but not for test how clean the whole cabinet is, or more specific, are not going to tell you how clean the mids and highs are going to sound in real listening.
 
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