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Genelec 8351B vs Mesanovic RTM10 - AB Test Preparation

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I try to plan an AB test with an active 3-way speaker at a similar price point, both of which score high in preference scores and are expected.

Sounds like a fun comparison. Are you planning to listen to both the the Genelec and the Mesanovic speakers in your room and tell us which one you prefer? I notice that you mentioned another thread in ASR where the OP was planning a blinded comparison, is that what you're trying to do too?
 

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Sounds like a fun comparison. Are you planning to listen to both the the Genelec and the Mesanovic speakers in your room and tell us which one you prefer? I notice that you mentioned another thread in ASR where the OP was planning a blinded comparison, is that what you're trying to do too?

Even if it's sighted, I would be super interested. Actually, it may be impossible to do a blind test anyway, since he's been living with the Genelec for awhile. Even for someone who's never heard either, the bass will be a dead giveaway, since he's running them full range. For speakers with different bass extension, the only way it really works is if the listener doesn't know the speakers under test.

Important to note that the Mesanovic is actually the cheaper speaker here, which is crazy, given the bass output it has.
 

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Even if it's sighted, I would be super interested. Actually, it may be impossible to do a blind test anyway, since he's been living with the Genelec for awhile. Even for someone who's never heard either, the bass will be a dead giveaway, since he's running them full range. For speakers with different bass extension, the only way it really works is if the listener doesn't know the speakers under test.

Important to note that the Mesanovic is actually the cheaper speaker here, which is crazy, given the bass output it has.
I didn't notice that one! great job for the "budget" solution (Not for me anyway or my ears will be twisted off buy the CFO in family). it really looks tempting for someone with the budget and greatest plus is that it don't need extra subwwofer which requires optimizing with hair pulling effort
 

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I didn't notice that one! great job for the "budget" solution (Not for me anyway or my ears will be twisted off buy the CFO in family). it really looks tempting for someone with the budget and greatest plus is that it don't need extra subwwofer which requires optimizing with hair pulling effort

Yeah, the Genelec definitely needs subs, at least in my room. I've tried running them full range a few times, and I always end up getting the red lights of despair. The Mesanovic is cheaper, and may actually have enough bass to satisfy in a full range use case.

New objectively excellent manufacturers like Mesanovic, GGNKTKT, D&D, Kii, Buchardt, etc. are great for the future of audio. They're pushing everyone up.
 

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Yeah, the Genelec definitely needs subs, at least in my room. I've tried running them full range a few times, and I always end up getting the red lights of despair. The Mesanovic is cheaper, and may actually have enough bass to satisfy in a full range use case.

New objectively excellent manufacturers like Mesanovic, GGNKTKT, D&D, Kii, Buchardt, etc. are great for the future of audio. They're pushing everyone up.
and hopfully push the price down! the Genelecs are better for reallly limited space I believe and the freedom of placement by coaxial design for much wider sweet spot than others, so maybe more for larger rooms the new comers are way better, but Genelecs or Neumann ones are better desktop options for really near field use
 

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Yeah, the Genelec definitely needs subs, at least in my room. I've tried running them full range a few times, and I always end up getting the red lights of despair. The Mesanovic is cheaper, and may actually have enough bass to satisfy in a full range use case.

New objectively excellent manufacturers like Mesanovic, GGNKTKT, D&D, Kii, Buchardt, etc. are great for the future of audio. They're pushing everyone up.
How much louder can the Genelecs get with a sub before you get a red light?
 

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Important to note that the Mesanovic is actually the cheaper speaker here, which is crazy, given the bass output it has.

Not totally crazy, it does have a larger cabinet and more woofer area :) But yeah, it seems like a very good value, although Genelec US prices are some of the highest for whatever reason. 8351B would be significantly cheaper than these in Canada.
 

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So after two weeks with the RTM10, can you say something about how do they sound?
I had Genelec 8351B a few months ago so it will be nice to read waht are the differences you hear between the two.
I'm really interested in buying the RTM10 but there is zero reviews from users about the sound.
 

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So after two weeks with the RTM10, can you say something about how do they sound?
I had Genelec 8351B a few months ago so it will be nice to read waht are the differences you hear between the two.
I'm really interested in buying the RTM10 but there is zero reviews from users about the sound.

I’m gathering comments from other my friends.
Maybe soon I will upload.
 

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Lowest advertised price is $4295 CAD or $3372 USD (each), I paid closer to $3K but the exchange rate was somewhat different back then.

Now I feel cheated :mad::p. Oh well, they're still a good deal, even at US prices ($8k/pair), especially with subwoofer support.
 
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Her is the website with the Spinorama - stupid flat and down to 31 hz (claimed)!

https://www.mesanovicmicrophones.com/rtm10

I see no reason not to believe the claimed 31Hz extension. You can see by the in room measurements @Jason K provided that it has significantly more bass than the 8351b. I kinda wish Genelec would provide CEA2034 data the way Mesanovic does. Not that they don't give good data, but would be really nice to see 2034.
 

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I see no reason not to believe the claimed 31Hz extension. You can see by the in room measurements @Jason K provided that it has significantly more bass than the 8351b. I kinda wish Genelec would provide CEA2034 data the way Mesanovic doss. Not that they don't give good data, but would be really nice to see 2034.
Would be nice for Erin or Amir to have one in for testing. Really does look like a lower priced alternative to the 8c.
 
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It took a long time to upload due to personal busy work.

I invited my audiophile friends, sound engineers, and musicians to listen together.

After listening to several songs alternately, what everyone heard agrees on is that the RTM10 outperforms the 8351B when it comes to bass!

Many are amazed by the deep bass that emanates from the RTM10 alone.

Personally, through several experiences (kii 3, d&d 8c, buchardt a500), the bass of an active speaker tuned to a closed type dsp had a distrustful preconceived notion.

This is because it was difficult to feel a really clean deep bass sound due to the high distortion rate when a small box or small unit was put in and the bass output was raised with dsp.

However, the bass of the RTM10 is very clean and does not cause noise even at high output.

This actually felt deeper in the sub bass when compared to the 8351B.
(I think this is due to the relatively low high-order distortion, apart from the 20~30Hz reproducibility.)

In addition, one of the advantages of the sealed type was the fast group delay, which allowed us to hear a tighter bass.


There was a very clear tonal difference in the midrange and treble.

The 8351B had a sharp, very clean impression and a lot of air.

I've been listening to the 8351B for a long time, so when I first listened to the RTM10 I felt that the air was relatively little. (I'm not saying it's dull, it's keeping sharp enough)

However, after listening to the RTM10 for a long period of time, the high frequency without fatigue became a big advantage.

The 8351B's treble was amazing to feel the stimulus while feeling a sharp attack for a short time, but I felt relatively tired from listening for a long time, especially! When I enjoy my spare time after a day of physical exhaustion after work, the tonal features of the RTM10 were especially attractive.

Musicians and audiophile friends prefered RTM10 more in this respect,
While my friends of engineers who do sound production prefered the 8351B.


Also, the interesting thing was in the phantom image.

This is a subjective experience, but in most cases, the phantom center is blurred or obscured when the speaker is placed wider than 60 degrees.

However, when I moved the RTM10 to the outside of the 8351B and listened to it, I could feel that a very accurate phantom center image was maintained without such blurring.
I think this may be due to the wide horizontal radiation width of the RTM10.

The treble's tone from the mid-range is slightly warmer than the 8351B, but it does not miss the detailed transient response to vocals and instruments.

Compared to the 8351B, male vocals such as Sam Smith and female vocals such as Suzanne Vega were able to feel a warm and stable tone without harsh feeling at air band.

the RTM10's midrange gives a rich impression while maintaining neutrality.
When listening to a classical piano, I was particularly fascinated by the rich tone.

I was able to handle songs that had to have excellent reproducibility, such as Zedd's Addicted to a Memory, and played great with songs that needed a very strong sub-response, such as Limit to your love.

The 8351B is undoubtedly a reference speaker, but if you want a more musical and rich tone than an analytic feel, I felt the RTM10 would also be a powerfully considered speaker as an all in one full-range speaker.

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Thank you Jason, a really interesting summation., how do the 1.4s compare!
Keith
 
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