Genelec 8351B Teardown (2nd Disassembled)

[EJ3]

Nothing looks "cheap" there. As a mechanical engineer I would say it just looks like good engineering. What do you expect? Do you miss veneer or something?

For some reason many People seem to think that many thousands of hours of R & D (and the test equipment to do it) are free. I'll give out a hint: NO, THEY ARE NOT!

 

[hege]

Room correction is "only" a 300 Euro upgrade (though it should be included in my opinion).

It isn't really, the DSP is already in the speakers.
- Many times you get the GLM adapter for free anyway, atleast for more expensive master series (not that there are any free lunches, the speakers might get less discount then etc)
- You could borrow it from someone for free
- You might already have it
- If you buy 8 speakers, should 4 adapters be included?
- Maybe you want a 9320A instead
Yeah sorry a bit offtopic but I like to nitpick

 

[napfkuchen]

It isn't really, the DSP is already in the speakers.
- Many times you get the GLM adapter for free anyway, atleast for more expensive master series (not that there are any free lunches, the speakers might get less discount then etc)
- You could borrow it from someone for free
- You might already have it
- If you buy 8 speakers, should 4 adapters be included?
- Maybe you want a 9320A instead
Yeah sorry a bit offtopic but I like to nitpick

Yes, you are right, I did not want to touch this subject. Technically for a large studio with many workstations a single GLM adapter is suffucient. Do the setup/calibration, store the settings and unplug GLM ... Or you just want to apply the firmware update like me with an 8351B as the analog input is used anyway.
We all have to keep in mind that hifi-enthusiasts are way down on the priority list for Genelec and studio technolgy is a very small niche. Just out of curiosity I just looked up RME's (Audio AG) last published balance sheet for 2021 with a total of 4.3 mio. Euro, an annual surplus of 1.7 mio. Euro and 385,000 Euro in stock products, that's next to nothing compared to large electronics companies especially considering how many different products RME has on offer. The same applies for Genelec with an annual surplus of 5 to 11 mio. Euro in the last years, for such a company it's not possible to have the same level of automation as mass manufacturers, they also pay more for external machining, parts etc.

 

[lowkeyoperations]

In Europe, comparing 5” driver nearfields, the Genelec 8030s are generally 50% more than Dynaudio Lyd5’s.

But over here in Australia the Genelecs are 90% more expensive. $2300 vs$1200. That’s a big difference!

 

[EJ3]

In Europe, comparing 5” driver nearfields, the Genelec 8030s are generally 50% more than Dynaudio Lyd5’s.

But over here in Australia the Genelecs are 90% more expensive. $2300 vs$1200. That’s a big difference!

Import taxes, supply & demand issues.
If there is a world market, then the majority of units will be sent to the places with the most market demand. Driving down the per unit cost
Lesser amounts of the units will be sent to places with lesser demand, driving up the cost per unit. And EXPORT taxes depending on the manufacturers country's arrangements with your country.
Then comes your own local various taxes, fees, etc. to get it into the country. Most of this is controlled by the bureaucracies of the people that are in power where you are

It's not the manufacturer "Well, I think that I will charge those guys over their more and these other guys over in this other place, less.

It cost me a lot to import to the USA & get it though customs my Technics SL-M3 that I bought through a broker in Germany.
I am from Austria, by the way and
I do not understand your complaint. Because, rest assuredly that the issue is between your country & the country where the item is manufactured.
Your government is the point that is most easily changeable. (that does not mean that it will be easy or that it can even happen but theirs the issue & why).
Oh, yes, I have been to Freemantle/Perth and brought some stuff in in December of 2004.
I had a nice flat & rental car for the 30 days I was there. And had a great time.

 

[lowkeyoperations]

^i do not think this is incorrect.

Both Finland and Denmark are EU members and their products attract the same tariffs in Australia. The difference is the distribution company and their overheads and profit margin.

I’m not blaming the manufacturer, simply pointing out that Genelec in Australia are more expensive than they should be. Genelec and Dynaudio are both widely available in Australia, so it’s not volume either.

We have a similar thing here with Kali too. It’s well priced in the US, but not here. Again it’s not the country because JBL here is well priced. But due to the distribution Kali is not good value in Australia.

 

[EJ3]

^i do not think this is incorrect.

Both Finland and Denmark are EU members and their products attract the same tariffs in Australia. The difference is the distribution company and their overheads and profit margin.

I’m not blaming the manufacturer, simply pointing out that Genelec in Australia are more expensive than they should be. Genelec and Dynaudio are both widely available in Australia, so it’s not volume either.

We have a similar thing here with Kali too. It’s well priced in the US, but not here. Again it’s not the country because JBL here is well priced. But due to the distribution Kali is not good value in Australia.

Is there a different level of demand for these products? Or it is due to different philosophies of the importer.
Many speakers from other places are difficult to get (or priced high) in the USA.
Some want to deal with less units & make more profit per unit (so called Life Style products seem to be this way).
But, know matter how you cut it, they are selling it for whatever is comfortable to them to sell it for. If not enough are sold, they may change their strategy or simply drop the line.
Apparently their is enough demand for them to be able to sell enough of the Genelec's at the they are asking. So why should they change?
Because someone doesn't want to pay the price they are asking? When their are others apparently fine with the price? (or no one would be buying them).
I'll sell to the people that are going to give me more.
There is always the second hand market (where most of my stuff comes from these days because I an not interested in paying the higher price to have new).

 

[lowkeyoperations]

Im sure it’s good for the distributors bottom line. But I don’t think it’s good for Genelec. A Genelec monitor for twice the price of the equivalent Dynaudio is a very different value proposition isn’t it. For same price there is LYD5 or 8010s.

I doubt Genelec is getting paid more due to their distributors high mark up in Australia, but I’m sure they are losing sales.

Likewise for Kali. They are known to be great value. But in Australia they aren’t.

 

[EJ3]

Im sure it’s good for the distributors bottom line. But I don’t think it’s good for Genelec. A Genelec monitor for twice the price of the equivalent Dynaudio is a very different value proposition isn’t it. For same price there is LYD5 or 8010s.

I doubt Genelec is getting paid more due to their distributors high mark up in Australia, but I’m sure they are losing sales.

Likewise for Kali. They are known to be great value. But in Australia they aren’t.

They may not be able to make more than they are currently making (and maybe the manufacturing plant cannot expand in it's current location).
So, if they could make more, they probably would. But, if they are at max capacity, they may not want to expand yet, until they see what the business outlook is for them in their country next year.
You are questioning things in the same manner as throwing mud on the wall to see what sticks.
If you want to know the reasons, go do your research and find out, instead of just throwing out random questions. Geez, I guess laziness abounds.

 

[lowkeyoperations]

They may not be able to make more than they are currently making (and maybe the manufacturing plant cannot expand in it's current location).
So, if they could make more, they probably would. But, if they are at max capacity, they may not want to expand yet, until they see what the business outlook is for them in their country next year.
You are questioning things in the same manner as throwing mud on the wall to see what sticks.
If you want to know the reasons, go do your research and find out, instead of just throwing out random questions. Geez, I guess laziness abounds.

I already know the reason why Genelecs are twice the price of Dynaudio in Australia and only 150% the price in Europe.

They have different distributors in Australia with different overheads and markups.

The Genelec 8030 leave Europe at 150% of the price of Dynaudio Lyd5s. They get sold in Australia at 200% of the price of the Lyds.
Same EU tariffs. Same shops in Australia. But different distribution.

But sure, keep throwing out random reasons for why Genelec is comparatively more expensive in Australia than the rest of Europe if you like. But I fail to see how factory capacity somehow increased the price of speakers sold to Australia but didn’t in Europe :lol:

All I’m saying is that here in Australia, the distributors have made Genelec and Kali less competitive than they are in the European and American markets retrospectively. I’m not sure why that’s making you angry to the point of accusing people of being lazy.

 

[AudioJester]

Easy to get significant discounts on Genelec in Australia, lots of haggle room

 

[EJ3]

Easy to get significant discounts on Genelec in Australia, lots of haggle room

That might also be the distributers point. Many people enjoy haggling.

 

[lowkeyoperations]

“You are questioning things in the same manner as throwing mud on the wall to see what sticks“.

 

[Luca Formentini]

please guys, can anyone measure the two sides made by the iso pods rectangle?
In cm if possible, thank you!

 

[somebodyelse]

please guys, can anyone measure the two sides made by the iso pods rectangle?
In cm if possible, thank you!

Go to post #493, follow the link for 8051-408 stand plate (also for the 8351) and download the user manual from the documentation section of that page. That has the dimensions. It's not a rectangle.

 

[Luca Formentini]

Go to post #493, follow the link for 8051-408 stand plate (also for the 8351) and download the user manual from the documentation section of that page. That has the dimensions. It's not a rectangle.

thank you!

 

[AudioJester]

People complaining about Aus distributors is as old as the hifi industry in Aus itself.

A Genelec 8361a retail price is about AU$300 more than overseas, you can easily get significantly more off.
The Aus Genelec distributor provides great support and service through their dealer network. If you ever have an issue with Genelec product its really easy to resolve.

 

[outfaced]

One important reason to like studio gear over common hi fi for home use - in the studio gear everything is spent on the engineering part (almost non for pleasing the eye with fancy materials and forms and logos) ... you get 99% function. For home ... you know ... there are examples out there, where >80% is spend on nice furniture with big shiny caps and coils inside, that could sound passable for the right kind of customer

 

[lowkeyoperations]

^a good example of this is the Dynaudio Sub 6 for $3,699 rrp vs Dynaudio 18S for $2,519.

Same sub. The only difference is the home version has detachable grilles and a slightly nicer paint finish.

 

[YSC]

One important reason to like studio gear over common hi fi for home use - in the studio gear everything is spent on the engineering part (almost non for pleasing the eye with fancy materials and forms and logos) ... you get 99% function. For home ... you know ... there are examples out there, where >80% is spend on nice furniture with big shiny caps and coils inside, that could sound passable for the right kind of customer

Actually both are ok IMO, I personally am poor and focus more on technical excellence, but if they can achieve same level of objective performance, and I won the lottery I won't hesitate to choose the one with more furniture look.