It's not particularly difficult to make them complain without hitting the limiters. Sub heavy content (hip hop, especially) even at reasonable levels will do it.What volume are you guys playing the 8351b's at, and what size rooms are you listening in? I can't get their limiter lights to go on, let alone their clipping lights, at any volume I can stand to be in the room with, in my 25-30 sq meter (300 sq feet) room.
If you use them as floortander from 2.5, 3m or more distance, i can understand you.So, I've gotten to listen to these recently. They sound great. But holy crap, they have zero headroom in the low end. They compress so, so fast. Not even "hitting the limiters", they just run out of steam and distort.
This is what my RTA shows as the most prominent frequency band, so not surprising at all. Peaks are even higher in the 28hz band in some parts of the track.If you need a good example, Hey Now on Kendrick Lamar's new album will do it. That's a speaker killer.
First, I don't appreciate being told I'm rambling, especially considering it's just my experience.If you use them as floortander from 2.5, 3m or more distance, i can understand you.
Ofcourse that is not intented usage for these, so i dont understand what are you rambling about? I often see people over here using small speakers or standmounts like these as if those can substitue floorstanders.
All ones have enough headroom as long as you use them how they are intended.
This is what my RTA shows as the most prominent frequency band, so not surprising at all. Peaks are even higher in the 28hz band in some parts of the track.
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What input signal levels people are feeding their speakers who say that there is no headroom? (Right click in GLM -> Show info) I run everything through a digital mixer and AES/EBU output signal is -18dBFS (analog output = +4dBu). Never had any headroom or sound quality problems.
Oh, the 310 without a sub is not pretty at all with this, and even with one it can't really keep up. We've been demoing some speakers here including the 8351s and 310s. The 310s can't keep up, at all.This album sound distorted by choice in the low end with soft and dry vocals floating above, I like the production. Anyway, imagine how it would sound on KH310 which have something like 20dB more of distortion at those frequencies and high level playback compared to 8351B
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All of these smaller monitors should be used with a sub or subs anyway, especially in a rather dry control rooms where there's no room gain and the subjective levels can be deceptively low, while in reality they are on the edge of breaking upOh, the 310 without a sub is not pretty at all with this, and even with one it can't really keep up. We've been demoing some speakers here including the 8351s and 310s. The 310s can't keep up, at all.
The 420s can and that 31hz sine - it's a C, btw - is clean even at pretty high levels. But I'm not surprised by this, the 8361 can hang at the kind of levels we're working at.
It's not particularly difficult to make them complain without hitting the limiters. Sub heavy content (hip hop, especially) even at reasonable levels will do it.
If you need a good example, Hey Now on Kendrick Lamar's new album will do it. That's a speaker killer.
I don't dislike these Genelecs because I have never auditioned them. However I do prefer other configurations to the relatively narrow columns with multiple small diameter bass/mid drivers.Maybe the 8361 will have enough bass but you disliked them too if I remember correctly
For most, the starting point of speaker design is the physical aspect and dimensions. I can say that in general I prefer a different approach, Speaker designers are told by their ceo, after market research, what the physical aspect should be, and that they must adapt their design to fit these requirements. That is not , in my opinion, an ideal starting point.If you haven’t heard them how can you say you prefer something else?
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That's like the exact opposite of Genelec's design philosophyFor most, the starting point of speaker design is the physical aspect and dimensions. I can say that in general I prefer a different approach, Speaker designers are told by their ceo, after market research, what the physical aspect should be, and that they must adapt their design to fit these requirements. That is not , in my opinion, an ideal starting point.
For most, the starting point of speaker design is the physical aspect and dimensions. I can say that in general I prefer a different approach, Speaker designers are told by their ceo, after market research, what the physical aspect should be, and that they must adapt their design to fit these requirements. That is not , in my opinion, an ideal starting point.
You'd be surprised at how bad people are at noticing dynamics.I suppose it's possible some bass compression is happening and I'm simply not noticing it, although it seems like that's the kind of thing that would be pretty noticeable.
Ultimately there is no replacement for displacement - and that is very much an Achilles' heel in most actives, they get pushed hard in the low end and have compromised SPL handling.
You'd be surprised at how bad people are at noticing dynamics.
Ultimately there is no replacement for displacement - and that is very much an Achilles' heel in most actives, they get pushed hard in the low end and have compromised SPL handling.
You'd be surprised at how bad people are at noticing dynamics.
Let's take a few things into account with that, FWIW.This is why I say I'd like to see the data - based on this I'm not ready to conclude that the 8351b's have any notable compression above, say, 40Hz when playing around 90dB SPL at 1M.
I'm not saying I know they don't - just saying I'm not prepared to believe they do and would love to see some data.