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Genelec 8331A Powered SAM Studio Monitor Review (by Erin)

Nice tour of the Genelec Tokyo Center

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What was most impressive?
 
What was most impressive?
The stereo room was the most impressive. The atmos room, very large, lacking a little thickness in the ceiling atmos
 
I found the 8331a to be powered only for a 1m desktop even with an 7350a subwoofer for bass-heavy content. It's just adequate at 80-90db on Billie Eilish "bad guy'. Both the sub and the monitors compress at a variety of crossovers.

It's enough but if I could do it again, I'd probably not get them. My partner doesn't hear enough improvement over G Three's. They are better but... maybe not enough.
 
I found the 8331a to be powered only for a 1m desktop even with an 7350a subwoofer for bass-heavy content. It's just adequate at 80-90db on Billie Eilish "bad guy'. Both the sub and the monitors compress at a variety of crossovers.

It's enough but if I could do it again, I'd probably not get them. My partner doesn't hear enough improvement over G Three's. They are better but... maybe not enough.
It's not a matter of speakers but of acoustics. It's the interaction between the speakers and the listening room that defines the bass. A system like the 8331/7350 shouldn't be compressing. You're sitting 1 meter away, but how big is your room? Is it acoustically treated? Are you using GLM?"
 
It's not clipping because I don't have room treatments. That's off base.

Yes GLM.
 
It's not clipping because I don't have room treatments. That's off base.

Yes GLM.
Sorry, my English isn't great — I didn’t quite understand what the problem is. Could you please explain it in more detail
 
Sorry, my English isn't great — I didn’t quite understand what the problem is. Could you please explain it in more detail

It's not a problem. The 8331a's are very nice, and adequate for desktop listening, but no real headroom even with a small subwoofer.

Some in this thread have said the 8331a are good for rooms (with a subwoofer). I can't imagine using them for a room, they barely feel powered enough for a desktop.


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Occasionally I see these claims that Genelecs have poor compression performance - the claim isn't that they clip, since that's easy to tell from the red clipping indicators. Rather, the claim is that the drivers compress, as with passive speakers, and/or the built-in protection is very conservative (as Genelec admits).

My recollection is that when someone made a claim to this effect about the 8351b's here in another thread, I went looking for Genelec compression measurements online, and all I could find were Erin's compression measurements for the 8331s, which are shown in the first post of this thread. Here they are again:

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This shows that at 86dB, the 8331s do not compress. At 96dB, they do exhibit compression, although it's less than 0.5dB from about 63Hz upward. Based on these measurements, you do lose about 1 to 1.3dB of output (relative to most of the rest of the spectrum) from their f10 of 40Hz up to about 63Hz if you play them at 96dB.

When used with a subwoofer crossed at a typical 80Hz, it would appear the 8331s are fine compression-wise up to 96dB. I would say there is some possibility that the 0.25 to 0.4dB compression dip at 96dB in what appears to be the 120-275Hz range could potentially be detectable. (Above that range the 96dB compression appears to be truly neglible.) Even then, though, I would imagine it would be tough to detect given that human hearing tends to perceive more bass as volume increases.

And all of the above seems to be a worst-case scenario, as Erin indicated that when playing music (as opposed to doing sine wave sweeps) he was able to achieve 100dB SPL 3M away, and if they were compressing with music the way the above graph looks, Erin clearly would have heard that.
 
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In my case they are clipping. Red light

That's interesting though.
 
It's a bit of a misnomer to call the Genelec LED a clipping light(one I'm guilty of, myself) because it's not just that, like the one on an SVS subwoofer or something. It turns red when the driver, input stage, or amp are overloaded and being limited as a result.

I would expect that in Erin's 102dB test the red LED would have been illuminated.

That said, I have 8331As, and I have no idea how you'd get two of them playing together to limit at 85dB@1m, especially with a subwoofer. I don't have a subwoofer on that system and I've run sweeps at 90dB with no problems at all. Problems at 85dB seem totally absurd and would suggest they're performing much much worse than Erin's test or their specs would indicate. And Genelec's specs are very realistic, they've been tested on multiple models at various points.
 
Yes yes of course. I must be mistaken.
 
I think rather than jump on my measurements, which makes for tedious reading, let's stay on my main point.

I'm my opinion, these are not suited for a room, even small, if you like base-heavy content at loud volume.
 
I think rather than jump on my measurements, which makes for tedious reading, let's stay on my main point.

I'm my opinion, these are not suited for a room, even small, if you like base-heavy content at loud volume.
I agree. Had them for a week, but had to return them because of the lack of power/output. Even with high pass @90hz and subwoofer.

They will play at a decent volume, but playing louder when you sit at 3-4 meters, there’s the limit coming up quick.
 
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I would ask @srrxr71 about SPL, clipping and stuff.
He owns 8361 with (double? ) W371A and if I'm not mistaken has added couple of subs to it.

Genelec was always conservative at their nearfield monitors.
 
I've only seen the red light on my 8331A twice:
1. accidental -0 dB input
2. trying to find out the limits of theses speakers after reading this thread; with the GLM mic placed at 1.4m distance max volume before clipping was too much for my ears even for a few seconds.
 
Genelec is probably the only speaker brand in the entire human race that you can't break by playing music. But! That doesn't mean that these are made to be abused for any party stuff (even the stupidest person should understand this!!!). These small models are intended for close-field monitoring for professional use so that when mixing music you get maximum quality and an idea of how it should sound in other speaker combinations as well.

Even though I have been a hifi enthusiast for over ten years and have played music with my old 8260a speakers numerous times with the red LEDs burning brightly, they still sound like honey and as if they were bought from a store the first day. Now they serve as surround speakers, but that was a long-term plan because these models can be chained into multi-channel and still the whole thing works very beautifully and pleasantly together.The size of the room and acoustics always determine the advantages of the speaker's potential. In larger models, you can even get your head spinning as if you were drugged the whole time.
 
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