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Genelec 8030C Studio Monitor Review

I can only think there must be some variability - or difference EU vs US ?

Although slightly older (approaching 50) - my hearing to high frequencies still seems good and I am very sensitive to hiss. The 308 MKIIs as I said were easily audible from listening position 3m+ away and I could not get on with at all. My 305 MKIs are much much quieter and I can just about hear them in a silent room from listening position at one of my computer desks (so about 40cm away)

I can also hear a high frequency whine from my SVS sub from about 5 foot away

I wouldn't be able to hear the 8030C from any sensible distance - I literally have to put my ear near to the tweeter to hear
 
Replys like that just sound insane to me. I am really interested to know if this is just bad quality control or due to subjective listening. I guess age also plays a massive role as were talking about high frequencies, which obviously will be heard less overtime. With 31 years of age, i might be too young for this kind of hobby :-D

37 here, hearing stops at 16khz.
 
I can only think there must be some variability - or difference EU vs US ?

Although slightly older (approaching 50) - my hearing to high frequencies still seems good and I am very sensitive to hiss.

Have you had a proper hearing test? You might be surprised how much age-related hearing loss you have. I know I did even though my perception was that there has been no change. This was when I was in my late 30s.
 
I can also hear a high frequency whine from my SVS sub from about 5 foot away

That sounds worse to me than any monitor hiss. I think I read about this issue somewhere, they have coil whine and SVS just says it's normal?
 
Hearing ability and sensitivity to hiss may be correlated and it may also be idiosyncratic. Some seem more perturbed by it than others.

I had a buyer for some G threes I'm selling who wanted me to confirm it had no hiss. I told him I wasn't very sensitive to hiss and I would be a bad evaluator. I don't want them disappointed and I can't confirm that!
 
Replys like that just sound insane to me. I am really interested to know if this is just bad quality control or due to subjective listening. I guess age also plays a massive role as were talking about high frequencies, which obviously will be heard less overtime. With 31 years of age, i might be too young for this kind of hobby :-D
AFAIK, and I bought my Genelecs with that in mind, the 8030C and G Three B are over the average in the ‘hiss affair”…

Comments about it are ubiquitous on forums, reviews on resellers websites, and here in ASR.

I don’t think is a matter of good or bad quality control, again I never red about someone who received one monitor that hiss and the other don’t.

Without measurements, possibly all monitors hiss equally or at some extent, and individual perceptions may vary..
 
Hearing ability and sensitivity to hiss may be correlated and it may also be idiosyncratic. Some seem more perturbed by it than others.

I had a buyer for some G threes I'm selling who wanted me to confirm it had no hiss. I told him I wasn't very sensitive to hiss and I would be a bad evaluator. I don't want them disappointed and I can't confirm that!
Very honest.

Agree that is quite idiosyncratic, my subwoofer has a characteristic sound around 170 Hz that was discussed here, only in LFE mode and External mode.

Is quite audible and was measured, but in reality many times I left my room I forgot to switch off the sub, and didn’t realize any noise spontaneously when returning.

But once I perceive it, I keep fixed on the sound, and became obsessive.

Finally I decided to use its crossover mode, in which the sound disappears.

I was annoyed by my lack of capacity to accept the noise and don’t care about it
:)
 
Can I ask which is your listening distance?

Take into account that @luke2kk use them on desktop configuration, in which LD can be 0.5 m or so…

I'm not too far off from that.

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I don’t think is a matter of good or bad quality control, again I never red about someone who received one monitor that hiss and the other don’t.

Without measurements, possibly all monitors hiss equally or at some extent, and individual perceptions may vary..
I agree that it probably isn't QC. The TPA3118D2 that they use in these has an output integrated noise spec at -80dBV, so some hiss is inevitable even with a perfect implementation. It likely comes down to distance and individual perceptions.
 
Just for any curious reader or future Genelec buyer: Did order another pair of Genelec 8030C to give it another hiss test, and can definitly say that it had nearly the same amount of hiss compared to my G Three. As G Three default match 8030C sensitivity set to +4 Id say the latter had a very very little less hiss - whoever says they're dead silent, I would highly doubt that.

EDIT: I kept the G Three

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Just for any curious reader or future Genelec buyer: Did order another pair of Genelec 8030C to give it another hiss test, and can definitly say that it had nearly the same amount of hiss compared to my G Three. As G Three default match 8030C sensitivity set to +4 Id say the latter had a very very little less hiss - whoever says they're dead silent, I would highly doubt that.

EDIT: I kept the G Three

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Mines were lower hiss in the G Three units, but still noticeable in both models.

The hiss was commented extensively in Amir review, I think every buyer who wants this models to desktop usage is well informed.

Personally, 50 years old and at least 1.5 meters listening distance I can’t perceive it or I should really pay attention to hear it.

A good alternative with less hiss is the Neumann KH120 ii, that I had also side by side in my room.

Subjectively and also by the more compact size I prefer 8030C/G Three, they are fenomenal speakers which accomplish the popular axiom “nothing is perfect”.
 
This is a review and detailed measurements of the powered Genelec 8030C Professional Monitor (speaker). It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $700 each.

The 8030C has the same look of Genelec speakers of the last decade or so:

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To me it looks more "cute" than serious piece of gear.

There are a few dip switches in the back and control its operation:

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I set all the switches on the right to off which tailor the tonality of the speaker. I left the gain at -6 dB as supplied by the owner.

Measurements that you are about to see were performed using the Klippel Near-field Scanner (NFS). This is a robotic measurement system that analyzes the speaker all around and is able (using advanced mathematics and dual scan) to subtract room reflections (so where I measure it doesn't matter). It also measures the speaker at close distance ("near-field") which sharply reduces the impact of room noise. Both of these factors enable testing in ordinary rooms yet results that can be more accurate than an anechoic chamber. In a nutshell, the measurements show the actual sound coming out of the speaker independent of the room.

I used over 800 measurement point which was sufficient to compute the sound field of the speaker. Measurement axis is the recommended upper part of the woofer ring, not my usual tweeter axis.

Temperature was 78 degrees. Measurement location is at sea level so you compute the pressure.


Spinorama Audio Measurements
Acoustic measurements can be grouped in a way that can be perceptually analyzed to determine how good a speaker is and how it can be used in a room. This so called spinorama shows us just about everything we need to know about the speaker with respect to tonality and some flaws:

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The on-axis (black) is what we hear the most and we want that to be as flat as possible. Such is the case here with a slight dip in the 2 to 4 kHz.

The inclusion of a wave guide (dished out surround on the tweeter) means that width of the woofer radiation is better matched to that of the tweeter (they would be wildly different otherwise as one is operating at its top end, but the other at its bottom).

We can see an off-axis response that is excellent sans the same dip which has deepened a bit more:
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Putting the two together and this would our predicted in-room response in far field standardized room:
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All great other than some energy lose in that 2 to 4 kHz range. And a minor one at that.

Speaker Dispersion Measurements
Let's measure how wide the response is before we lose 6 dB of sound strength (red):
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Using that metric we have 60 degrees to either side of the speaker which is good. This means you don't have to sit right at tweeter axis if you don't want. This is useful in near-field operation where you are going to move around some and angle of your ear to monitor can change a lot.

Using 3-D "heatmap" of the same we get:

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Often speakers have this kind of response but start to narrow more at we get past 10 kHz. Not so here. Directivity width is maintained much more to upper ranges of the response. So you get a bit more high frequency energy than you would with a speaker that narrows more.

And here is vertical:
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Unlike the more expensive Genelecs with coaxial drivers, vertical directivity is not nearly as good but this is very typical. We have rather large variations with that single "eye" above our axis so try to stay more or less at the tweeter height (or tilt it up so it points at you).

While we are on pretty pictures, I thought I also dig in and see what is up with that dip in 2 to 4 kHz:

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Looks like there is more woofer energy than tweeter there. But otherwise very clean.

Here is the individual driver responses:

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Speaker Distortion Measurements
Let's start with our standardized distortion measurements at 86 and 96 dB SPL @ 1 meter with room effect taken out with our Klippel measurement system:

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At low volumes at least (left graph), I am impressed that we see much less bass distortion than we typically see.

At 96 dB SPL, the situation naturally gets worse and distortion is not as controlled. Here is the actual levels as opposed to percentages at 96 dB SPL:

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If you look to the top left, you see that distortion is below the fundamental signal which is good. Often I have that exceeding the level of the signal itself!

We now switch instruments to my Audio Precision for more distortion drill down:

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At lower test SPL of 86 dB SPL, distortion level is more or less the same as recently reviewed Revel M105 non-active hi-fi speaker. But if we increase the level, the Genelec pulls ahead in bass (solid pink):

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In mid-range though, the Revel (dashed orange) still does better.

Next test is amplitude compression. Here we compare whether the speaker produces less sound pressure at higher levels than lower ones. An ideal speaker would keep getting louder forever. A real speaker has stiffness which increases non-linearly and so reduces output. Same thing happens with the "motor" (voice coil action within magnetic field) gets weaker as the woofer travels father from its rest position. The combination of these factors and any electronic limiters in these active speakers (if any) will reduce the output linearity:

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I am continuing to refine this test and here, I added a second frequency of 50 Hz. We see that there is strong limiting at 50 Hz relative to 200 Hz normal test frequency. So the notion of "how loud this speaker plays" is highly dependent on the content. The more low frequencies you have, the more compression you get. In this case we have a 6 dB difference between 50 and 200 Hz.

You all are a fan of multitone (32) tests so here it is as a comparison to a Behringer B2030P:
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The Genelec is producing much less intermodulation distortion in bass, confirming what we found before, but also in tweeter. Both however produce similar amount of distortion in the 500 to 1.5 kHz region.

Comparing the Genelec 8030C at two output levels gives us:

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We mainly see a rise in distortion in the same region stated above. Unfortunately that is the most audible region to us. Hopefully the music you play provides good bit of masking.

Finally here is the spectrum of a 100 Hz tone:

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I measured my room noise (not shown) and it was about half as much as what you see in the spectrum of the distortions. So even the 10th harmonic is representing proper distortion levels that are above room noise. In other words, mere act of playing a 100 Hz tone/note, will create distortion well into area of our hearing that is most sensitive.

On the other hand, the second and probably third harmonic help to increase the perception of amount of bass there is.

There are so many distortion mechanisms in speakers that we have a lot more work left to fully characterize them. So expect this measurement section to keep evolving as I find more and better ways to measure these non-linearities.

Speaker Listening Tests
I set up the Genelec 8030C on my workstation desk on a 5 inch high stand that is tiled up a few degrees. I pointed the speaker right at me and started to play. Instantly all of my reference music tracks "translated" to this speaker and sounded just beautiful. My track list is varied from Blues, to Rock and classical and all without exception sounded great.

Not wanting to leave well enough alone :), I decided to play with EQ. I added my usual low frequency cut of 30 Hz with 36 dB slope. To my surprised it lowered the bass some. I played around with but could not find a setting where it did some good but did not impact bass response. I also went after one of the small resonances in the response and had the same issue.

I went after the dip in 2 to 3 kHz and there, the difference was a very positive one:

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That increased detail nicely with no negative side-effects at all.

Once there, the response was exceptional. As often it happens, I could not stop listening to my music tracks. An example is this high-res download:
Naxos 8.559757
John CORIGLIANO (b. 1938)
Conjurer* • Vocalise†
Evelyn Glennie, percussion*
Hila Plitmann, soprano

Electronics produced and performed by Mark Baechle
Albany Symphony • David Alan Miller


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Can't quite find the track I was playing but here is a sample:


The classic Roger Waters demo album was to die for:
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All was not well though. On tracks with deep bass such as the Animals from Dunwells produced severe distortion at anything but modest levels:


Bass response was impressive and deep but turn up the level and you are greeted with static and clear distortion.

Conclusions
Some audiophiles like to say there is a dichotomy between accuracy and good sound in speakers. They need to listen to a speaker like Genelec 8030C to change their mind forever. Accuracy is what we need to reproduce all that is in our recording without permanently boosting and lowering some frequencies/tones.

Importantly, accurate speakers provide similar pleasure when listening to well recorded music. Despite having very different pedigrees, I find the Genelec 8030C just as nice sounding as my Revel speakers. There is an incredible "rightness" that clicks when the response is kept flat in 200 to 4 kHz or so. Delight sets in and you melt in your chair, enjoying well recorded music and appreciating the art instead of speaker bringing attention to itself. There is no "oh that sounds bright" or "why is the vocal recessed."

I wish you could be here to experience in excellent in sound reproduction that these well engineered speakers following best acoustic research and science provide.

No, one size does not fit all. The 8030C is a near-field monitor that opts to bring you more bass as the expense of limited headroom in deep region there. Fortunately that limitation does not protrude often so the capabilities it provides are near perfect. Considering its price, I think it is a great find.

Needless to say, I highly recommend the Genelec 8030C monitor.

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Hi and thanks for a very interesting and valuable analysis/review of Genelec 8030C. I read about this review in 2023 and made a preset for the monitor section in Reaper, with Fabfilter's Pro-Q3. I revisited this article today and found out that I made a huge mistake... - I have Genelecs 8030a monitors, not the C-version.

I have checked in the review section, but can't find any review of Genelec 8030a speakers. Do you know if there are sources as good as this that have made reliable measurements?

I've used ChatGPT and compared 8030C vs. 8030a and found out that the EQ 'preset' you made, doesn't apply for my 8030a speakers. Based on the source from Princeton (https://www.spinorama.org/speakers/Genelec 8030A/Princeton/index_princeton.html), saying that the quality is low, I've come up with a preset that I'm going to test:
Bell: +1.5 dB at 2964 Hz, Q 1.53 (more centered on the 8030A crossover region).

Based on your experience with measurements etc., is this a good starting point?

PS: I'm using my Genelec's 8030a for mixing, not for listening in my living room etc. Thanks in advance!
 
Hi and thanks for a very interesting and valuable analysis/review of Genelec 8030C. I read about this review in 2023 and made a preset for the monitor section in Reaper, with Fabfilter's Pro-Q3. I revisited this article today and found out that I made a huge mistake... - I have Genelecs 8030a monitors, not the C-version.

I have checked in the review section, but can't find any review of Genelec 8030a speakers. Do you know if there are sources as good as this that have made reliable measurements?

I've used ChatGPT and compared 8030C vs. 8030a and found out that the EQ 'preset' you made, doesn't apply for my 8030a speakers. Based on the source from Princeton (https://www.spinorama.org/speakers/Genelec 8030A/Princeton/index_princeton.html), saying that the quality is low, I've come up with a preset that I'm going to test:
Bell: +1.5 dB at 2964 Hz, Q 1.53 (more centered on the 8030A crossover region).

Based on your experience with measurements etc., is this a good starting point?

PS: I'm using my Genelec's 8030a for mixing, not for listening in my living room etc. Thanks in advance!
I advice you to use your own correction at the crossover region, as the deviation from the FR ideal is dependant on the direct and indirect (reflected) interferences woofer-tweeter.

In my room, the mic says more than 3 dB at 2700 Hz, 2.5 Q factor for the Genelec 8030C (G Three B), as is a quite reflective room.

Personally, but I'm not a pro that needs an FR as flat
possible, I found undesirable the correction at that high frequency, it sound slightly irritating.

Probably becasue ringing, I don't know.

All 2 way monitors suffer from some deviation at crossover region due to emitting the same FQ by 2 separated sources, Amir's choice of correcting the speaker is very personal.

You can do and try, also Genelec website publish the 8030A spinorama:

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It looks very good, although slightly lees consistent off axis than 8030C.
 
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