Without meaning to put anyone off, I think many will reconsider their standards after reading this ^^
It's ridiculous to own a $4000-$5000 Genelec and play it in an unsuitable, untreated room... (wtf) => you'll hear the walls (phantom speakers). [reflections]
Even worse, those who benefit from SVS subwoofers and the like...
(make things worse)
(I went through the same thing in the past (when I was starting out), and lost a lot of money ^^)
Genelec 8010/8020/8030 => good standard in a small room
I preferred the 8010 for office use, but the 8030 is also excellent; it's just that in an untreated room, the bass response of the 8010 will be less problematic.
And no, I'm not a marketing salesman... just a passionate trained in the field. In the past, I was manipulated by marketing... since then I've learned a lot... and since I really enjoy sharing my knowledge, it's with pleasure that I wanted to shed some light on certain things from a solid foundation.
There's still a long way to go... I don't have expertise in Amir's speaker testing, for example. I have no ego or anything like that; I'm just talking about what I know. Acoustics are important in a room when dealing with bass frequencies as a priority => first priority => number one enemies in a room. You're free to do as you please, but you'll never hear the true sound of your speakers, some of which are quite expensive.
If you don't have the means or the desire to treat your room, the Geneelc 8010/8020/30 or small speakers, for example, in a bare room, will give superb results.
I owned the JBL 308 mkII and they are very powerful with very deep bass, which is bad in an untreated room.
I now have the Genelec 8010 and the sound is more consistent for my room and office use. A speaker that goes into the infrasonic range requires serious treatment in the corners of the room, at a minimum with large absorbers or bass trap membranes.
(This isn't marketing, just so you know)
I build my own bass traps, it's not difficult => you create a frame for the panel (then you put thick mineral wool inside (20cm thick)) [REFLEXION FREE ZONE aka RFZ]. For the corners of the room where the bass is loudest, you can build "superchunks" (look them up on Google). Just a bit of amateur DIY(40cm thick minimum).
I remind you, maximum "air gap" = thickness of the mineral wool
PS: Remember to protect the fiberglass insulation with a vapor barrier on top.
Happy DIYing and happy listening.
I would have advised you on which type of fiberglass insulation to use, but I know that's just marketing. I've said enough; I'll leave that part (research) to you.
It's ridiculous to own a $4000-$5000 Genelec and play it in an unsuitable, untreated room... (wtf) => you'll hear the walls (phantom speakers). [reflections]
Even worse, those who benefit from SVS subwoofers and the like...
(make things worse)
(I went through the same thing in the past (when I was starting out), and lost a lot of money ^^)
Genelec 8010/8020/8030 => good standard in a small room
I preferred the 8010 for office use, but the 8030 is also excellent; it's just that in an untreated room, the bass response of the 8010 will be less problematic.
And no, I'm not a marketing salesman... just a passionate trained in the field. In the past, I was manipulated by marketing... since then I've learned a lot... and since I really enjoy sharing my knowledge, it's with pleasure that I wanted to shed some light on certain things from a solid foundation.
There's still a long way to go... I don't have expertise in Amir's speaker testing, for example. I have no ego or anything like that; I'm just talking about what I know. Acoustics are important in a room when dealing with bass frequencies as a priority => first priority => number one enemies in a room. You're free to do as you please, but you'll never hear the true sound of your speakers, some of which are quite expensive.
If you don't have the means or the desire to treat your room, the Geneelc 8010/8020/30 or small speakers, for example, in a bare room, will give superb results.
I owned the JBL 308 mkII and they are very powerful with very deep bass, which is bad in an untreated room.
I now have the Genelec 8010 and the sound is more consistent for my room and office use. A speaker that goes into the infrasonic range requires serious treatment in the corners of the room, at a minimum with large absorbers or bass trap membranes.
(This isn't marketing, just so you know)
I build my own bass traps, it's not difficult => you create a frame for the panel (then you put thick mineral wool inside (20cm thick)) [REFLEXION FREE ZONE aka RFZ]. For the corners of the room where the bass is loudest, you can build "superchunks" (look them up on Google). Just a bit of amateur DIY(40cm thick minimum).
I remind you, maximum "air gap" = thickness of the mineral wool
PS: Remember to protect the fiberglass insulation with a vapor barrier on top.
Happy DIYing and happy listening.
I would have advised you on which type of fiberglass insulation to use, but I know that's just marketing. I've said enough; I'll leave that part (research) to you.
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