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Fosi Audio ZP3 Preamplifier Review

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  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 35 17.3%
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    Votes: 51 25.2%
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    Votes: 90 44.6%
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  1. I literally confirmed with Fosi support the hiss is part of the product, and getting a new unit won't fix the problem. Plus, at this point I've seen at least 3 other people on the internet report this precise issue with the same characteristics. Do me a favor: make sure your room is quiet, turn your Bypass switch to "OFF", and put your ear up to your tweeter and see if you notice it. Let us know here. I'm curious.
  2. Switching Bypass mode to on (which is the label "BYPASS" on the switch) does, in fact, bypass the HPF. I've tested it many times. You can tell clearly with your ears, but I also have a UMIK-1 to confirm. If Bypass is off (the label "OFF"), switching the HPF switch settings has a noticeable difference on the mains' bass. If Bypass is on, the HPF settings makes no difference at all. Fosi support also confirmed this is how the Bypass switch works.

I'm curious... when did you purchase your ZP3 2fatpugs? And from where? Did you make any alterations to the op-amps or anything else?
OK I read your statement wrong, I keep my ZP3 in Bypass mode. This is why it is quiet. I think most preamps does add some distortion when not bypassed.
I did some REW sweeps and the results are interesting. The 125H HPF definitely is cutting off the requency in bypss mode but it seems to be cutting off at 300hz instead of 125.
 

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OK I read your statement wrong, I keep my ZP3 in Bypass mode. This is why it is quiet. I think most preamps does add some distortion when not bypassed.
I did some REW sweeps and the results are interesting. The 125H HPF definitely is cutting off the requency in bypss mode but it seems to be cutting off at 300hz instead of 125.
What in the world...
 
Yup, I have the same hiss issue on my ZP3. I tried three different ones too and they all behaved exactly as is being described here. On my system (ZP3 > 2x ZA3 in Mono > Lintons) I actually can still hear a slight hiss from the tweeters even when the ZP3 is in bypass mode (albeit much more quiet than when not bypassed). It is super frustrating because there really isnt anything else on the market that has the features the ZP3 has for the price point (or even remotely close to the price point).

The next thing I am going to try is using shorting caps on the spare RCA inputs. Someone said that helped with the hissing sound. However, now that it sounds like the EQ chip is what is causing the hiss, I doubt it will have any effect.
 
I've been using the "preamp" function on my Topping E70 Velvet to push my Fosi V3 Mono amps for a while, but I've wanted an actual preamp for a while now. The fact that this unit offers XLR connectivity and a high pass filter is all I wanted (I only use a DAC for a source) and the recent sale on Amazon was too attractive to pass up.

As for the volume I've always relied on my ears to tell me when the music is too loud, and the phase variance with the sub output can be accounted for with the phase switch on my sub. All in all I'm quite pleased with my purchase.
 
It was sent to me by the company and costs US $189 (coupons available for less).

Conclusions
Fosi continues to push the price/performance metric ZP3. It is feature rich and includes many things members ask for.
Currently around 240$ for US and 300€ for EU customers direct from Fosi shop. Which is just insane!

For around ~400€ you can already get an proper AVR from Denon, Onkyo and Co. with preamp being just one of many functions.
 

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Currently around 240$ for US and 300€ for EU customers direct from Fosi shop. Which is just insane!

For around ~400€ you can already get an proper AVR from Denon, Onkyo and Co. with preamp being just one of many functions.
Dear Sir,

I can not replicate the prices you are claiming when I go to the FOSI web shop. Though I agree you can buy an AVR with single ended inputs, I needed balanced support for my set up.

Cheers
 
Just added this preamp to my system and has a fault which I am not impressed with but could possibly live with - with bypass switch in the off position there is no output from the LH channel, with it in the on position both channels work fine, but of course then I loose bass and treble functionality which is one of the reasons I bought the ZP3 in the first place.

The other reason I bought it is to use the HPF and subwoofer output. My subwoofer hasn't arrived yet so I don't know if having the bypass switched on will bypass HPF functionality as well. From comments above there seems to be a difference of opinion here with one person stating it does and another stating it doesn't.

If it does then my unit is useless as I have either no LH channel whatsoever with bypass switched off or no HPF or tone controls with it switched on. (for ref my complete set-up consists of Shanling CD transport > ZD3 > ZP3 > 2x ZA3 > Acoustic Energy AE500 speakers, all XLR connections between Fosi components.
 
Just added this preamp to my system and has a fault which I am not impressed with but could possibly live with - with bypass switch in the off position there is no output from the LH channel, with it in the on position both channels work fine, but of course then I loose bass and treble functionality which is one of the reasons I bought the ZP3 in the first place.

The other reason I bought it is to use the HPF and subwoofer output. My subwoofer hasn't arrived yet so I don't know if having the bypass switched on will bypass HPF functionality as well. From comments above there seems to be a difference of opinion here with one person stating it does and another stating it doesn't.

If it does then my unit is useless as I have either no LH channel whatsoever with bypass switched off or no HPF or tone controls with it switched on. (for ref my complete set-up consists of Shanling CD transport > ZD3 > ZP3 > 2x ZA3 > Acoustic Energy AE500 speakers, all XLR connections between Fosi components.
Bypass disables bass management.
 
Just an update on my bypass switch problem I outlined two posts above... I exercised the switch back and forth maybe 50-60 times as I read it could be caused by oxidisation or dirty contacts on the switch, at first it didn't make any difference, but low and behold I tried the amp with bypass switched off again 2 days later and now it works, both channels present regardless of switch position, fingers crossed it stays that way.

Subwoofer arrived yesterday (SVS SB-1000 Pro) so I'll be setting that up today and playing with the HPF switch.
 
That is wild if it was truly oxidization on a brand new device! I am curious, since you and I have the same DAC and Amps, do you hear tweeter hiss when the amps and ZP3 are turned on? Is it quieter when the tone controls and bass management are bypassed?
 
That is wild if it was truly oxidization on a brand new device! I am curious, since you and I have the same DAC and Amps, do you hear tweeter hiss when the amps and ZP3 are turned on? Is it quieter when the tone controls and bass management are bypassed?
Although new it did sit boxed and unopened in my mancave for three and a half months as it arrived just after I went travelling a bit. Was strange though how after exercising the switch back and forth multiple times the fault didn't clear, then 2 days later after switching on again without exercising the switch again it miraculously cleared itself.

Regarding tweeter hiss, I have seen other reports of this, but with mine there is none. I have bypass switched off, HPF at 80-20k setting, ZA3's at full volume, ZD3 in bypass mode (volume control bypassed), and using the ZP3 to control volume which I listen to quite loud. With nothing playing there is no sound from the tweeters in my speakers whatsoever, with the bass drivers there is a very slight hum if I put my ear one inch away, and I mean very slight, if I move my ear 5 inches away I can't hear it. I am not going to try the same with bypass switched on as I don't want to tempt fate, the hiss other people are reporting is with bypass switched off anyway.

I also have the SVS subwoofer plugged into the subwoofer output now and what a difference it makes, I didn't realise what low bass I was missing before but I do now, plus the speakers seem to play the higher frequencies even clearer than before now that they don't have to try to play what the subwoofer is now handling. I don't have any fancy gear for measuring speaker and subwoofer levels so have calibrated just by ear - speakers are rated down to 45Hz but I have filtered out below 80Hz with the HPF on the ZP3, on the subwoofer I have set the LPF to 70Hz and volume to -10db.

I am an absolute novice when it comes to subwoofers and there set-up but I read that the subwoofer LPF should be set a bit lower than the HPF on the speakers due to slope/dropoff, and the system sounds nigh on perfect to me now. 18 months ago I started out with a single ZA3, some small JBL monitor speakers and an old Sony blu-ray player for my CD's, then gradually upgraded my system to where it is now. Nothing else to add or improve for me as I feel it is now as good as it can get without spending silly money - unless I decide burn all my CD's to FLAC and/or get a streamer!
 
Hi Fosi,
Please jump on the rendition of the volume pot and side panel access asap!!

No1 on my list for a full solid state pre amp as soon as you do.

Thankyou.
 
Hi Fosi,
Please jump on the rendition of the volume pot and side panel access asap!!

No1 on my list for a full solid state pre amp as soon as you do.

Thankyou.
Well, if we are pleading to Fosi, then might as well also ask them to fix the tone control circuit, not tie tone control bypass to HPF, output voltages and noise floor while we are at it! Perhaps also: go back to an external power supply so that it is not the only device across their stereo equipment product line that is grounded...(reducing the chance for ground related issues in a system).

The ZP3 is a hilariously half-baked product!
 
Just want to remind ZP3 users that the volume level is tied to each input. I just added another input on RCA2 and after turning the volume down to a whisper on RCA1 switched to RCA2 and had music blast through my attached ZA3s at full volume. This instantly blew the four inline fuses I had going to the two attached pairs of speakers. Thank god I had the fuses. I have disconnected the ZP3 and will be getting rid of it. Having no way to tell the current volume for any particular input is just too much a risk. All I wanted was a P4 with a trigger output...
 
Bypass switch saga continued – and finally solved...

Previously I reported a problem I had with the bypass switch only outputting one channel (rh channel) with bypass switched off. I thought this had corrected itself, but yesterday I had to move the preamp about a bit while I played with various connections as I tried to resolve a second problem I had with my ZD3 DAC - and the bypass switch fault came back (I’ll touch on the ZD3 problem at the end).

So I decided to open up the ZP3 and have a look at the switch. I found a pretty good guide with videos showing how to strip the ZP3 down here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1V0L88g6Ip7iJedNP-ir9TOWCdg_SwIHd

First I had to remove the plastic side cover adjacent to the bypass switch to gain access to the 4 crosshead screws holding the metal side plate on - see 4th video in the link above. The video kind of skims over the plastic panel removal, in truth there is so much glue on it that it is not easy. I carefully used a sharp craft knife to slide between the plastic panel and the metal plate but it is virtually impossible to get it off without scraping some of the black paint on the underside of the plastic panel, as can be seen in the pictures below. With this removed simply remove the 4 screws holding the metal plate on which can then fall out with a bit of encouragement.
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The switch assembly which holds both the bypass and HPF switches has one electrical connector which needs to be pulled off. Then remove the 4 tiny Torx head screws (Torx size 5 or 6) on the underside of the amp and the switch assembly can be removed.

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On inspection the soldered pins of the bypass switch looked pretty bad, possible dry joints and a bit of a mess. As I only want to use the bypass switch in the off position (so I have use of the HPF) I put a big blob of solder between the 2 pins that should be shorted to one another when bypass is switched off – basically the blob of solder is doing the job that the switch itself isn’t – see pictures below.

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Of course, now I have to make sure that I never inadvertently switch bypass to on, otherwise all 3 pins will connected at the same time and I have no idea what damage that might do to the amp, so after reassembly I put some electrical tape over the bypass switch to stop me knocking it by mistake.

Problem is now fixed, both left and right channels working with bypass switch (now permanently) in the off position.

Thoughts:

I have no idea why one channel still worked when the switch was in the bypass off position, I would have expected neither channel to work if the contacts weren't making.

Although the ZP3 can be stripped down for e.g. replacing op-amps, it certainly isn’t user friendly with the way the plastic side panels are stuck on. As can be seen from the videos I linked the rest of the strip down isn’t exactly a simple task either.

I might get in touch with Fosi to see if they will send me a replacement switch assembly and plastic side panel as it is certainly easier all-round than if I had sent the amp back under warranty. I haven’t reattached the plastic side panel yet just in case I need to open it up again (or Fosi send me a new one).

ZD3 problem – I mentioned this at the start though it has nothing to with the ZP3. I mostly only play CDs as my source and had an issue where with almost every CD I played I would get a short ‘wavetooth’ sound/interruption of about 0.5 seconds (think hammer drill sound). It only happens once per CD but with almost every CD I played. My connection from the CD driver to the DAC was with coax. I also have a DVD player connected via optical and have the same problem there but rarely use the DVD player.

So I changed the coax connection between the CD drive and the ZD3 to a USB connection (which is why I was moving my various Fosi separates around and managed to re-introduce the bypass switch fault). It’s early days yet but that problem seems to have gone away too. No idea why I get the annoying burst of ‘hammer drill’ sound with both coax and optical connections but not with USB, though I did read somewhere that with coax and optical connections the source controls the data flow, whereas with a USB connection the receiving DAC only accepts the data when it is ready for it. So some kind of timing issue?
 
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