• Welcome to ASR. There are many reviews of audio hardware and expert members to help answer your questions. Click here to have your audio equipment measured for free!

Fosi Audio Box X5 Phono Preamp Review

Rate this phono stage:

  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 6 2.5%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 8 3.4%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther)

    Votes: 42 17.7%
  • 4. Great (golfing panther)

    Votes: 181 76.4%

  • Total voters
    237
I'm currently running a rather budget TT setup with 2 old B&W speakers (not top line), Marantz slim AVR with phono, Technincs SL1200 and vintage Stanton 881S cartridge but with an after market stylus (not an expensive one).
Should I realistically expect a subjective improvement using this phono pre-amp instead of the built in one? I have no plans to do further upgrades in the near future.
 
I'm currently running a rather budget TT setup with 2 old B&W speakers (not top line), Marantz slim AVR with phono, Technincs SL1200 and vintage Stanton 881S cartridge but with an after market stylus (not an expensive one).
Should I realistically expect a subjective improvement using this phono pre-amp instead of the built in one? I have no plans to do further upgrades in the near future.

The best upgrade would be to change the cartridge to a brand new one with microline stylus ... like the Audio Technica vm95ml.

It's not an expensive investment (150 USD aprox).
Other good action in the vinyl world is to have clean records (I mean wet cleaning with distilled water / Tergikleen surfactant) ... the "upgrade" can be really great.
 
The best upgrade would be to change the cartridge to a brand new one with microline stylus ... like the Audio Technica vm95ml.

It's not an expensive investment (150 USD aprox).
Other good action in the vinyl world is to have clean records (I mean wet cleaning with distilled water / Tergikleen surfactant) ... the "upgrade" can be really great.
Thank you.
The one thing that attracts me about it, is that (Amir mentioned it a few times in his reviews and read a bit aboutit) a proper RIAA eq helps with minimizing/lowring clicks and pops sound to some degree.
 
Thank you.
The one thing that attracts me about it, is that (Amir mentioned it a few times in his reviews and read a bit aboutit) a proper RIAA eq helps with minimizing/lowring clicks and pops sound to some degree.

Clean records are the real "cure" to clicks and pops. When I listen to records some people says to me "which cd are you listening?" :)
 
Last edited:
When can I get a unit with built-in rumble filter (highpass)?

View attachment 420531
Like this? (it's analog, though):

15 Hz filter (only) response.

The low-frequency response is the same with the tone controls either defeated or engaged, for all inputs and all outputs.

The 15 Hz filter is selected with a rear-panel switch.

It's -1/2 dB at 20 Hz, -1 dB at 17.5 Hz, -2 dB at 15 Hz, -3 dB at 14 Hz, - 5 dB at 12 Hz and -10 dB at 10 Hz.
Apt/Holman Preamp
1747196370102.png
 
Last edited:
I’ve been playing LP records for 48 years. The only seriously warped records I’ve seen were that way from day one. None of the flat ones ever warped themselves.
I recently sent my son some records. One, a Reference Recording label of Mickey Hart “Dafos” warped severely in transport. I had never seen that happen, and I’ve been playing records for almost 60 years. Never say never, I guess.
 
I recently sent my son some records. One, a Reference Recording label of Mickey Hart “Dafos” warped severely in transport. I had never seen that happen, and I’ve been playing records for almost 60 years. Never say never, I guess.
agree ... storage is key, do it wrong and "voilá", without even using it.
transportation and high temperature is another bad pattern, sometimes unavoidable (i never buy records via courier in the summer :) )
 
just picked one of these up after seeing the reports of a good overload margin with decent headroom. i wanted to see if i noticed anything different compared to the puffin i use most of the time with regard to pops and clicks. i guess the puffin has a poor overload margin. I heard nothing any better or even really different in how the fosi handled pops or clicks. i recorded some clips and im not seeing anything either in the wavs. think ill stick with the puffin and the artdjpres ive been using.
 
The unit does many things well, but…. It really needs a rumble filter. Sound wise, it’s better than quite a few more expensive units. The big negative issue is that a lot of cartridge/arm combos have significant resonance at 8-10 HZ.
One of you sharp EE types, please design a rumble filter for it.
 
Last edited:
I bought one of these to improve the quality of my vinyl rips vs just using my Pioneer DJM V10 mixer which allegedly has terrible phono preamps (minus the hum from x5, its almost audibly indistinguishable). Using a Technics 1200 MK2 with an Ortofon Concorde DJ cart, it had a very notable humming noise. The 1200 has been professionally rewired with Mogami RCA's. I used a pair of Mogami RCA's for the phono to line input to my Pioneer V10 as well as my Motu M4 and the hum was always present. Is there a work around to eliminate the hum like an aftermarket PSU?
 
It is a ground loop somewhere in your system. Many here that own this unit have been successful at cleaning up our lines.
 
I bought one of these to improve the quality of my vinyl rips vs just using my Pioneer DJM V10 mixer which allegedly has terrible phono preamps (minus the hum from x5, its almost audibly indistinguishable). Using a Technics 1200 MK2 with an Ortofon Concorde DJ cart, it had a very notable humming noise. The 1200 has been professionally rewired with Mogami RCA's. I used a pair of Mogami RCA's for the phono to line input to my Pioneer V10 as well as my Motu M4 and the hum was always present. Is there a work around to eliminate the hum like an aftermarket PSU?
Most likely solution is to run a ground wire from the ground terminal to a true mains ground (either on another grounded device, or direct to the ground terminal on a mains socket.

Mains hum is not unusual when there is no direct ground connection to the preamp.
 
Most likely solution is to run a ground wire from the ground terminal to a true mains ground (either on another grounded device, or direct to the ground terminal on a mains socket.

Mains hum is not unusual when there is no direct ground connection to the preamp.
I forget that there may be quite a few people that do not know about grounding and its importance. There are enough tables out there with a built in pre amp where proper grounding may not matter as much.

I put new, low capacitance cables on my Denon DP-45f and my ground foil that covers the terminals developed a crack, losing conductivity. The hum was very pronounced. Making sure everything is properly grounded is essential.
 
A simple measurement of the Box X5 input capacitance using an LCR meter. Each was set to an average of 128 times.
Also, photos, THD vs. input level, and output impedance.
I’m brand new to the forum. Should I just be paying attention to the 1khz measurement and assume the input capacitance is 161 pf for my calculations?
 
The best upgrade would be to change the cartridge to a brand new one with microline stylus ... like the Audio Technica vm95ml.

It's not an expensive investment (150 USD aprox).
Other good action in the vinyl world is to have clean records (I mean wet cleaning with distilled water / Tergikleen surfactant) ... the "upgrade" can be really great.

Now I'm showing my age here - to @DuncanTodd too and apologies for late reply.

The 881S was an excellent cartridge and the Stereohedron stylus excellent at its job. At todays pricing, I'd suggest the 881S must be the thick end of $500 if made today. Memory has failed me as to what exactly the Stereohedron tip profile was, but I'd put a 881S body with Vividline or Jico Shibata replacement styli rather above the internally crude but well-tipped VM95ML and more like the excellent priced VMX700 series models AT now make, with nice metal mounts and cheaper pricing for the 740 and 750. I'd put the diamond before the cantilever here, so a VMX750 perhaps.

-There was/is a YouTube vid of three AT OC9s compared. same record and tonarm, each properly set up and recorded as best as possible. the elliptical stylus sounded fine initially and very 'vinyl-like' in a slightly band-limited kind of way. the ML stylus had far more of an 'etched sparlke' up top in the pickup design, which I like, but which could maybe be called 'one note sparkle' perhaps (just a subjective vibe that wouldn't bother me at all). the OC9 with SH stylus was to me sublime, keeping all the 'detail' the ML gave, but presenting it in a more subtle way (I can't explain it, but it was less 'one-note' to me and quite delightful)

If an original SL1200 with 'dome' in the lid over the arm pivot area, I'd suggest taking the lid off when playing (the deck used to be terribly feedback prone) and site the deck very carefully to minimise vibration ingress - my school-pal had one and you could almost play tunes into the speakers if the plinth was tapped while playing - my SL110/SME was exactly the same, only I didn't know much then, having just started out in the industry). The 1200mk2 had extra damping under the platter and I believe, more damping inside the deck's internal cavity itself from memory. I was also able to get stellar performance from an SL1500 with siting, lid removal when playing and to get the arm level, an additional cork mat on top of the heavy Technics original, which isn't so far removed from the more costly 1200m1, so good luck.

Back to the X5 itself. AT VM pickups have slightly lower output at 5cm/s than the usual 5mV (ATs are usually 3mV I believe), so the hf headroom may not be an issue at all. I repeat that the lack of a subsonic filter for such a low priced box I'd say is a major issue though, because as said above, low priced turntables not properly sited are going to have all manner of things going on low down and especially below 20Hz. Since on most commercial vinyl albums, there's pretty much nothing useful below 40hz or so, a filter working below 25Hz would be an asset and not a hindrance here, even if it wasn't switchable as it might be on a more 'sophisticated' phono stage.
 
Last edited:
I’m brand new to the forum. Should I just be paying attention to the 1khz measurement and assume the input capacitance is 161 pf for my calculations?
Hello.
In my opinion, it is "160 pF / 47 kohm @1 kHz to 20 kHz". I think the same is true for the range from 20 Hz to 1 kHz, but the measurement artifacts seem to be too large with an LCR meter.

You may be able to confirm this using the measurement method suggested by SIY.

Please note that this is the measurement result of my BOX X5. Fosi's website and instruction manual do not specify the input capacitance.
It may be the same for other lots, but if you want guaranteed information, you will need to check with Fosi.
 
Hello.
In my opinion, it is "160 pF / 47 kohm @1 kHz to 20 kHz". I think the same is true for the range from 20 Hz to 1 kHz, but the measurement artifacts seem to be too large with an LCR meter.

You may be able to confirm this using the measurement method suggested by SIY.

Please note that this is the measurement result of my BOX X5. Fosi's website and instruction manual do not specify the input capacitance.
It may be the same for other lots, but if you want guaranteed information, you will need to check with Fosi.
Thank you for taking the time to clarify that for me. For anyone interested, I reached out to Fosi support and they informed me that the input capacitance is 150pF.
 

Attachments

  • wefwefwefsef.PNG
    wefwefwefsef.PNG
    14.2 KB · Views: 23
Back
Top Bottom