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For the Cooks: Misen Non Stick Carbon Steel Pan?

Leidenfrost point. The temperature of your pan at that point is at least 193°C or higher based on other material factors. Should not be attempted with non-stick pans. Ok with steel/iron.
That's only 400F, quality nonstick pans handle that effortlessly. Scanpan as an example is totally safe up to 500F but not sure why that's even required. 425F will sear and do the grill mark job. I don't want black crust on my food, especially not of it is red meat. But that's just a. personal preference.
 
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NY Times has an article By Andrew Zimmern on this issue in today's edition - he's votes no non stick. Apparently non stick pans might be banned in California.
Isn't he the guy that eats spiders and snakes on TV? But he avoids non-stick? :) :) :)
 
NY Times has an article By Andrew Zimmern on this issue in today's edition - he's votes no non stick. Apparently non stick pans might be banned in California.
Just read that and thought of this thread. I would say it mostly covers points already made in this thread, but he also emphasizes that the manufacture of the non-stick pans causes unacceptable levels of pollution. He's probably not wrong IMO... Even if non-stick pans had no environmental or possible health downside I'm not sure I would use them, so to me the harms seem hard to justify.
 
NY Times has an article By Andrew Zimmern on this issue in today's edition - he's votes no non stick. Apparently non stick pans might be banned in California.
Cheap nonstick that sheds Teflon. Not high "quality" nonstick. Shades of grey. :-) The law is not final, so the criteria are not yet totally clear.
 
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Stick or non-stick aside, it appears that most tasty foods are bad for you! The two exceptions I am aware of are fish and avocado.
Even that can be temporary, until we are told differently, like milk, cheese....
 
I was under the impression that fish in general is fine and only tuna and barracuda (?) are "good source of Mercury".
About avocado, they say that it is a source of healthy fats. Also, it helps cartels to go green!!!!!
As always, the results of a "research" are very much dependent on who is funding the research.
I believe I read somewhere that almonds are the worst offenders when it comes to water waste.
Each almond takes a gallon to be produced
 
See below seafood recommendations from the US FDA. If I can only eat something once a week maybe I don't want to eat it at all? A mature Avocado tree requires 400 gallons of water per week (confirmed by a friend who has multiple Avocado ranches). With all the press reports about almonds and water it is hard to search and I have no almond experts as friends but it looks like about 80 gallons per week for a Almond tree.

Best choices (Eat 2–3 servings a week)
  • Anchovy
  • Catfish
  • Cod
  • Crab
  • Haddock
  • Herring
  • Oysters
  • Pollock
  • Salmon
  • Sardine
  • Scallop
  • Shrimp
  • Tilapia
  • Trout (freshwater)
  • Tuna (canned light)

Good choices (Eat 1 serving a week)
  • Bluefish
  • Carp
  • Chilean sea bass
  • Grouper
  • Halibut
  • Mahi mahi
  • Marlin
  • Snapper
  • Tuna (canned albacore)
  • Tuna (yellowfin)

Choices to avoid
  • King mackerel
  • Marlin
  • Orange roughy
  • Shark
  • Swordfish
  • Tilefish (from the Gulf of Mexico)
  • Bigeye tuna
 
Clearly you have much more reliable sources than what I remember reading.
I also meant Marlin when I said (wrote) barracuda.
One way or another, situation is bleak!
 
Mostly Omega-6 fatty acid, rather than Omega-3, though. I think of them as ditch fishes, because that's where I used to find them. Very hardy as pets, but they sure can eat (and foul the water!).

If I were in Florida, I might want to partake of lionfish, as they're invasive pests there, but apparently good eating.
 
Mostly Omega-6 fatty acid, rather than Omega-3, though. I think of them as ditch fishes, because that's where I used to find them. Very hardy as pets, but they sure can eat (and foul the water!).

If I were in Florida, I might want to partake of lionfish, as they're invasive pests there, but apparently good eating.
The list I posted referred to recommended maximum weekly consumption taking Mercury levels into account ..... so Talapia live in a ditch and foul the water but at least they don't have a lot of Mercury.... pick your poison as they say.
 
I can't find an old (if memory serves) Road & Track cartoon I was looking for -- a mechanic looking under the hood of a 1960s American car with fish jumping about. "You've got tuna in your Mercury!" he says to the puzzled owner.

This was the closest google got to it -- but it's an S. Harris cartoon, so that's good. :)
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For pancakes carbon steel pans are ime unbeatable. Low cost non stick and easy to clean. Not suitable for induction stove tops, though.

For frying eggs I prefer multi layered steel pans with lots of oil, lowish heat.
You can use high heat but ime it takes a lot of skill. That I would use for searing meat that takes a short time to be ready, like steak, entrecote etc. Mauviel m'cook I have good experience with but imo is very expensive. Demeyere 5ply is also very good ime. But in hindsight 3 ply is cheaper, heats faster and a wider pan is preferable over a smaller one. (28 or 26 cm in stead of 24 cm)

For all purpose this 28 cm sautepan is my favourite
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For all other meat or veggies I use cast iron pans as they seem to give the best taste and require almost no skill. Just remember to place the meat in the pan before it gets too hot. Use medium to low heat. Le crueset signature I would recommend because it has a heavy cast iron lid that remains in place during cooking.

Cleaning a cast iron pan: after you ready, remove the food and put a small layer of water in it. While eating this will soak the sticky bits. Remove with a soft brush.
The really burnt in parts can be removed without effort by letting the pan soak overnight with a small layer of hot water and soda (bicarbonate). Keep the lid on to retain the heat.
This also works for stainless steel pans (not carbon steel).
 
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stainless steel pans
I find these are always the best... non-stick always comes off after a while, regardless of metal utensil usage or not and we end up consuming it. Being able to use metal trumps any non-stick to me. A good soak in hot soapy water and I find they're pretty easy to clean.


JSmith
 
Maybe slightly off topic, but still valuable imo, a book that changed my health quite a bit. And good reading too.


The summary of it:
-high fiber foods like vegetables, fruit or whole grain bread etc feed your gut microbiome that helps you stay healthy
-low fiber foods like meat, non-whole grain bread, sugar, butter (an average Western diet) are only digested in the upper part of the intestine
-this leaves your gut microbiome no other choice than to feast on a sugary mucus layer that protects your gut
-this in turn leads to immune cells being in direct contact with your microbiome leading to alarm signals transmitted in the whole body (inflammation)
-which leads to inflammatory deceases of the cardiovascular system and arthritis, amongst others.
-changing your diet to 80% plant based and 20% meat feeds your microbiome which give quite a few health benefits
-milk based products are not good for your health unless you're Scandinavian or Eskimo and thus have the genes to digest it
-I experienced this first hand after 3 weeks
-the same results were found by Wageningen University research in the Netherlands and the University of Amsterdam.
 
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For pancakes carbon steel pans are ime unbeatable. Low cost non stick and easy to clean. Not suitable for induction stove tops, though.

For frying eggs I prefer multi layered steel pans with lots of oil, lowish heat.
You can use high heat but ime it takes a lot of skill. That I would use for searing meat that takes a short time to be ready, like steak, entrecote etc. Mauviel m'cook I have good experience with but imo is very expensive. Demeyere 5ply is also very good ime. But in hindsight 3 ply is cheaper, heats faster and a wider pan is preferable over a smaller one. (28 or 26 cm in stead of 24 cm)

For all purpose this 28 cm sautepan is my favourite
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For all other meat or veggies I use cast iron pans as they seem to give the best taste and require almost no skill. Just remember to place the meat in the pan before it gets too hot. Use medium to low heat. Le crueset signature I would recommend because it has a heavy cast iron lid that remains in place during cooking.

Cleaning a cast iron pan: after you ready, remove the food and put a small layer of water in it. While eating this will soak the sticky bits. Remove with a soft brush.
The really burnt in parts can be removed without effort by letting the pan soak overnight with a small layer of hot water and soda (bicarbonate). Keep the lid on to retain the heat.
This also works for stainless steel pans (not carbon steel).
Carbon steel pans work great on induction cooktops. We use them all the time on ours.
 
I haen't tried either, but it sounds like a thing known to me from Blaser rifles (titanium nitriding):

This stuff is very, very hard. Scrape it off? Not with kitchen stuff.
Former heat treater here. Titanium nitriding is an excellent case hardening process for many applications. Nitriding doesn't produce nearly as deep a case as carburizing but it produces greater wear resistance and is done at a much lower temperature which means much less distortion. It's not necessarily a good process for hardenable steel if you require a core at or near maximum hardness because it's done after conventional quench and temper. It doesn't matter for frying pans.
 
Former heat treater here. Titanium nitriding is an excellent case hardening process for many applications. Nitriding doesn't produce nearly as deep a case as carburizing but it produces greater wear resistance and is done at a much lower temperature which means much less distortion. It's not necessarily a good process for hardenable steel if you require a core at or near maximum hardness because it's done after conventional quench and temper. It doesn't matter for frying pans.
Since you are a metal expert I have a question. Why does my cast iron pan "sear / brown" things differently (better) than other materials seemingly at the same temperature?
 
Since you are a metal expert I have a question. Why does my cast iron pan "sear / brown" things differently (better) than other materials seemingly at the same temperature?
Greater heat capacity. It takes more energy to raise the temperature of the cast iron pan than say your aluminum or copper pan. In turn, when you put cold food in it, it doesn't lose its heat to the food. It stays hot.

It's sort of like why marble feels cold to the touch; your skin doesn't warm it.
 
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