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It’s totally normal to see girls ( up to about 6 or 7 ) in the men’s changing room in my local gym, the gyms a national chain ( Nuffield health ) they also run private hospitals.

Guess that hasn't gone out of fashion then. My mom used to take me into the ladies room when I was that little.
 

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It’s totally normal to see girls ( up to about 6 or 7 ) in the men’s changing room in my local gym, the gyms a national chain ( Nuffield health ) they also run private hospitals.
Here too, but born out of necessity I would imagine, not preference.
Mom didn't come to the gym with dad.
 

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I don’t mean to take this thread to an even darker place than it seems to be in already, but having worked previously in this area, I can tell you with some confidence that most child sexual assaults occur in the context of an established relationship of authority and trust. A random assault in the type of context being discussed here is statistically far less likely.

I’m also not aware of any evidence or any good explanation as to why a trans boy might make a more likely target of sexual assault vs a biologically male boy, so it seems to me a red herring on that front, too...
 

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I don’t mean to take this thread to an even darker place than it seems to be in already, but having worked previously in this area, I can tell you with some confidence that most child sexual assaults occur in the context of an established relationship of authority and trust. A random assault in the type of context being discussed here is statistically far less likely.

I’m also not aware of any evidence or any good explanation as to why a trans boy might make a more likely target of sexual assault vs a biologically male boy, so it seems to me a red herring on that front, too...
Yes, you speak the truth.

Let’s leave this behind now.
 

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Let’s leave this behind now.
WTF did any of this have to do with the death of rock?

What does it mean for a music genre to be alive or dead?
Is there some particular sales number that would quantify that?
Yep rock is well past it's time of being the predominate form of new music being created. :(
But time moves on, as did my musical taste and maybe yours too.
Rock is dead, blues is dead, big band is dead, classical is dead, etc, etc, etc.
But these groups still completely dominate my personal listening.
(I listen to a lot of Country but it doesn't seem to fit in anywhere in this discussion?)
Personally I morn the loss of real musicianship (as in being able to play a real musical instrument) in much of modern music.
Whatever the genre, it stirs my sole to hear a person playing a real instrument in a talented and exciting way.
Something I've found almost totally absent in the leading genre's of today.
 

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Iv got a pub up the road ( well it’s up the rail road about 30 mins) plays old swing , blues all sorts from the 30’s on up. All live mostly un-amplified .

I’m not worried about the death of rock and roll it’s just a bullshit headline from a bullshit paper that panders to a demographic I have nothing in common with.

If you want rock and roll you will always find it, maybe it won’t be on MTV or prime time tv talent shows but I don’t watch that shit anyway.
 

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WTF did any of this have to do with the death of rock?

What does it mean for a music genre to be alive or dead?
Is there some particular sales number that would quantify that?
Yep rock is well past it's time of being the predominate form of new music being created. :(
But time moves on, as did my musical taste and maybe yours too.
Rock is dead, blues is dead, big band is dead, classical is dead, etc, etc, etc.
But these groups still completely dominate my personal listening.

100% agree. Instead of calling these genres "dead", I like to think of them as "mature".

In any genre, that initial few years of radical growth and development comes to an end eventually (it used to take more than a decade I reckon - now I think it's well under that on average).

After that initial growth and change period, typically sub-genres and fusion/crossover genres begin to break away. The final step tends to be when a critical mass of younger bands begin to go back to the genre's roots (I think we've seen this in jazz, rock, even TBH these days in techno).

In any case, there's still plenty of value in the music regardless whether it's still breaking ground or not.
 

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Iv got a pub up the road ( well it’s up the rail road about 30 mins) plays old swing , blues all sorts from the 30’s on up. All live mostly un-amplified .
Sounds like a place I'd love to hang, if I ever get to the UK I'll buy the first round.
 

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http://www.theoldduke.co.uk/

Proper English ale, cider and pork scratchings.. everyone goes in there , young , old , rich , dirt poor , professionals, academics and the likes of me.

No trendy American triple hopped IPA, silly hipster snacks or pizza or any of it. No food that don’t come in a plastic bag full of fat and stinking of death lol

Now there’s other places too, all sorts .. it all goes on still so don’t worry and that’s in Bristol, a city full of hipster socialists and liberal intelligentsia.

No ones taking ya shit away, we all go to the pub together, dance and get pissed up.. ah the pub, the greatest place if only the world was one big pub with great live music .
 

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WTF are pork scratchings?
Ah, thanks Google, pork rinds. Those dried pieces of pig skin that are sold in bags by the potato chips, etc.
I'll pass.
 

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Round here we call that bait :p
I have dreams about going on a first date and for once the lady is first at the bar and buys us 2 ciders and a packet of pork scratchings to share..

It would be the perfect bait to catch me but don’t go thinking it will work if you buy them for me ... Iv got standards .
 

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http://www.theoldduke.co.uk/

Proper English ale, cider and pork scratchings.. everyone goes in there , young , old , rich , dirt poor , professionals, academics and the likes of me.

No trendy American triple hopped IPA, silly hipster snacks or pizza or any of it. No food that don’t come in a plastic bag full of fat and stinking of death lol

Now there’s other places too, all sorts .. it all goes on still so don’t worry and that’s in Bristol, a city full of hipster socialists and liberal intelligentsia.

No ones taking ya shit away, we all go to the pub together, dance and get pissed up.. ah the pub, the greatest place if only the world was one big pub with great live music .


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In answer to your specific question: no, I don't think that 'domination' of a field by males is a problem, if equality of opportunity exists for all. The word 'domination', though, is already biasing the question. A statistic may show a metaphorical 'domination' but it doesn't mean that those nasty brutish toxic males have elbowed the females out of the way; merely that there are certain things that are more interesting to men than women.

You assert something, "equality of opportunity," that is theory not reality. Consider a performing art in many relevant ways analogous to rock music: stand up comedy. Both involve a circuit with lots of touring; quirky performers; dealings with managers, agents, club owners, etc. Both are reasonably small and insular worlds, where the performers at a given strata of game tend to know one another well. Both are (or were, until recently) male-dominated.

From what has recently been made public about the world of stand-up, it's clear that the imbalance was not due to "lack of interest" from women, but deplorable behavior by highly successful men (such as Louis CK) repelling up and coming women from the field.

I'm also reminded of Stephen Colbert's thoughtful evolution on this issue from 2016 to 2018.

Colbert, 2016:
https://jezebel.com/stephen-colbert-is-mighty-confused-about-diversity-1783733653
Colbert, 2018: https://qz.com/work/1356768/stephen...ic-step-to-add-diversity-to-his-writers-room/

As for politics and music, there has never been daylight. Beethoven first dedicated his 3rd "Eroica" Symphony to someone he thought at the time was an enlightened liberator of France, and almost named it after him. He also wrote a piece of music (one of his worst) called "Wellington's Victory." Neither one was a paid commission by the object or his coterie. At least the former wasn't. I don't know about the Wellington piece in truth.
 

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I have dreams about going on a first date and for once the lady is first at the bar and buys us 2 ciders and a packet of pork scratchings to share..

It would be the perfect bait to catch me but don’t go thinking it will work if you buy them for me ... Iv got standards .
Buy a Harley and take her out on that. That's the way all our old ladies treat us. :)
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