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Fiio K13 R2R - Owners Thread

What's ironic is that the need of such products comes straight from a misconduct.

And this misconduct is a combination of older recordings with newer gear, specially speakers.
R2R DACs and gear like that are silly in this context.

Music that was made from broad-baffle, big, sensitive speakers (with their flaws, totally agree) has a very good chance to sound thin and strident on newer smaller speakers, no matter how better they are.

Newer music however will be fine. But look at the ages here and...

Misconduct? Perhaps you meant to say Misconcept?
 
Seems info about K11r2r, not K13r2r
Strange, the link follows from here and has the product name in the URL;
Apos are listing the same specs... maybe taken from the same FiiO product page;
THD+N & Noise: ~0.025% (1kHz/0dB @ 10kΩ)
So where did the 0.013% come from in your calc screenshot? :)


JSmith
 
So where did the 0.013% come from in your calc screenshot? :)
From Fiio’s website or FB I think, but seems like their links are messed up and kore pointing to K11R2R somehow.
 
I’m not an R2R guy but I am a contrarian, so here goes.

72 distortion-dominated SINAD is fine. -72dB down from uncomfortably loud is extremely quiet on its own. The idea that it will cause problems when masked by music is something that should concern precious few of us.

R2R is fun, “retro cool,” if you will. It gets the job done, and there’s something to be said for technology that’s easily understandable. People are happy with it, the FIIO stuff costs peanuts compared to a lot of stuff people drool about over here, and of course it doesn’t get in the way of music nirvana. What’s not to like?
 
Profit making entities won’t bother to include such feature if there is no demand.
Demand for a product doesn't mean that product has a functional benefit.


The primary benefit of this product is to allow the manufacturer to extract money from the gullible.
 
I’m not an R2R guy but I am a contrarian, so here goes.

72 distortion-dominated SINAD is fine. -72dB down from uncomfortably loud is extremely quiet on its own. The idea that it will cause problems when masked by music is something that should concern precious few of us.

R2R is fun, “retro cool,” if you will. It gets the job done, and there’s something to be said for technology that’s easily understandable. People are happy with it, the FIIO stuff costs peanuts compared to a lot of stuff people drool about over here, and of course it doesn’t get in the way of music nirvana. What’s not to like?
So I am a contrarian contrarian. ;) Energy spend on talking about the sound quality of any DAC is wasted. The Philips 14-bit 4-times oversampling DAC was good enough, and since then, any sensible design has been. I know that some 20 years ago, I was puzzled to hear and read about the sound of DACs as something that has major, or any, implecation for the quality of audio reproduction. I knew there could not be much there, but some people continued to act as if a DAC is THE major element in a reproduction chain, while it has hardly more inpact than wiring. So many hours, so many words... wasted. Just buy any DAC you like for its functionality, color, brand, or bragging rights. But don't expect them to sound any different. It is solved.
 
Seems like there's an extra "USB IN" type c port at the front of the left side, but no particular mentioning of this in the specs etc.
Pretty clever actually - for quickly connecting a mobile phone or computer without having to reach for the back.
 
Does anyone know why the fiio hifi device that is under the fiio k13 r2r in the product shots?
 
Does anyone know why the fiio hifi device that is under the fiio k13 r2r in the product shots?
This thing? Now you got me wondering too...

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This thing? Now you got me wondering too...

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The DAC can accept a IEC mains cable or a 12V DC input.

The unit at the bottom shows "12.0" on it's display so my guess is it's a yet to be released LPS that spits of 12VDC (and maybe other voltages hence the need for the display)

Here is a picture of their current LPS..the display is fundamentally the same...so they have at a minimum changed the chassis to match the DAC (and the display type to match the DAC as well). Internals could be the same and the unit below supports 12v and 15v outputs.


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Peter
 
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The DAC can accept a IEC mains cable or a 12V DC input.

The unit at the bottom shows "12.0" on it's display so my guess is it's a yet to be released LPS that spits of 12VDC (and maybe over voltages hence the need for the display)

Here is a picture of their current LPS..the display is fundamentally the same...so they have at a minimum changed the chassis to match the DAC (and the the display type)

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Peter
Oh yes now that makes sense!
 
Does anyone know why the fiio hifi device that is under the fiio k13 r2r in the product shots?
This is indeed a fully digital streamer, around 100€, has a coax out, a remote and a volume knob which makes it the cheapest solution (and a pretty neat one) to feed monitor speakers with a digital plug. I'm probably gonna pull the trigger for this one at some point.
 
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