Fiio FT1 DAC

[patoulol]

Hello

I just received my Fiio FT1



,on ipad with the apple usb dongle to jack, the sound is muffled and lacks bass

on my windows PC with a scarlett Solo, the sound is better, better bass yet

it is given at 32ohms,

it should be good on my Apple USB dongle ipad

Or is it my brain?

@solderdude

 

[solderdude]

FT1 needs EQ.

Out of the box it is a bit 'muddy' sounding but not muffled.

Maybe the apple has some EQ in place you might not be aware off ?

 

[patoulol]

Maybe the apple has some EQ in place you might not be aware off ?

First of all, thank you for your reply.


I'm using a French-English translator because I'm not very good with the language.


You're right, the correct term is 'muddy,' not 'muffled.'


As far as I know, there's no EQ on the Apple dongle USB C .

FT1 needs EQ.

Damn, I hadn't anticipated this need before. What EQ correction does it need? Got a curve?

 

[solderdude]

A shelf below 200Hz (-5dB) did the trick for me.
With that EQ I found the sound quite good.
Another option would be a 'bell' at 100Hz, -5dB, Q = 0.5 (to 0.7)
Note: when wearing glasses that lift the pad a little bass may need to be compensated a bit less.

 

[patoulol]

A shelf below 200Hz (-5dB) did the trick for me.
With that EQ I found the sound quite good.
Another option would be a 'bell' at 100Hz, -5dB, Q = 0.5 (to 0.7)
Note: when wearing glasses that lift the pad a little bass may need to be compensated a bit less.

Thanks

ok I'll think about it if I buy a Qudelix-5K Bluetooth because I hadn't planned to use EQ APO on my desktop PC.

I was tempted by the youtube hype

 

[Curupira]

the sound is muffled and lacks bass

Muffled = les graves n'ont pas de définition;

Lacks bass = les graves n'est sont pas présent/il y a une manque de graves.


S'il vous faut plus de graves, il se peut que le dongle n’ait pas la puissance (tension/voltage) nécessaire pour garantir un volume suffisant. Cela arrive avec les dongles Apple produits dans l’UE, car ils sont limités à 1 V RMS — une tension suffisante pour la plupart des IEMs, mais qui peut être trop faible pour certains casques "full-size". Quoi qu’il en soit, je doute que ce soit le cas ici.


Si les graves manquent de définition, alors l’avis de @solderdude devrait suffire.

 

[patoulol]

Muffled = les graves n'ont pas de définition;

Lacks bass = les graves n'est sont pas présent/il y a une manque de graves.


S'il vous faut plus de graves, il se peut que le dongle n’ait pas la puissance (tension/voltage) nécessaire pour garantir un volume suffisant. Cela arrive avec les dongles Apple produits dans l’UE, car ils sont limités à 1 V RMS — une tension suffisante pour la plupart des IEMs, mais qui peut être trop faible pour certains casques "full-size". Quoi qu’il en soit, je doute que ce soit le cas ici.


Si les graves manquent de définition, alors l’avis de @solderdude devrait suffire.

Merci pour votre réponse dans ma langue, c'est sympa

There may be a problem with the dongle, I just ordered a new one on amazon which arrives tomorrow, for 10€

it will answer the question (dongle problem or not)

I'll study the solderdude tips with the EQ if I decide to keep it

Otherwise it will be put up for sale.

 

[Curupira]

Can the dongle get as loud as the audio interface? If it can and you still feel it's muddy, then it's indeed faulty.

Also, you don't need parametric per se (although it would be more precise): the FT1s bass shelf is more or less focused below 200hz, so any simple EQ or tonal control with sliders from below that will do. Just be careful to not invade the mid-range, or the voices will sound thin.

 

[patoulol]

Can the dongle get as loud as the audio interface? If it can and you still feel it's muddy, then it's indeed faulty.

Also, you don't need parametric per se (although it would be more precise): the FT1s bass shelf is more or less focused below 200hz, so any simple EQ or tonal control with sliders from below that will do. Just be careful to not invade the mid-range, or the voices will sound thin.

It's difficult to do the blind test, because I have to do manipulations and equalize the headphone levels between the PC and the ipad, it's not that simple

I must not dismiss the placebo effect.

According to my information, the Apple EU dongle must be sufficient in power for FT1

It may be defective , The new one arrives tomorrow, I'll come and give news

 

[patoulol]

I received the new USB dongle, it's the same thing (muddy)

I have a big difference by going through the jack of my windows PC

There is a question of "power"

 

[solderdude]

Dial down the bass by using tone control or EQ.

At 34ohm and 117dB/V a dongle should have no issues driving it.

 

[patoulol]

Dial down the bass by using tone control or EQ.

At 34ohm and 117dB/V a dongle should have no issues driving it.

Hi solderdude

I have to turn up MAX the volume of my iphone or iPad to 85db with the USB C dongle

I don't have a tone control or equalizer on my iphone

 

[solderdude]

There is a thread here on ASR with lots of options on how to use EQ on Apple OS Incl. phones.

EQ Software for Windows, Linux, macOS, iOS/iPadOS and Android.

Any suggestions are welcome. Post suggestions here. I will gather the details and add them. Thanks. :D This will be organized as results come in. @sweetchaos made a guide for PEQ filter data input and operation. For crossover software go here. Windows: AutoEQ four easy steps to make your...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[patoulol]

thanks for this link

 

[Kremmen]

Thanks

ok I'll think about it if I buy a Qudelix-5K Bluetooth because I hadn't planned to use EQ APO on my desktop PC.

I was tempted by the youtube hype

I was considering a Qudelix-5K myself but have been put off with reports of poor customer service and a non-replaceable battery, amongst other issues. This info was gleaned from verified purchase reviews on Amazon so I can't vouch for the veracity of the issues myself. They only appear to affect a small percentage of buyers on there who have reviewed this product but the battery issue would be my main concern.

 

[unpluggged]

I was considering a Qudelix-5K myself but have been put off with reports of poor customer service and a non-replaceable battery

The customer service is top-notch and very responsive, the company sends out replacements without asking too much questions (somebody here even admitted they damaged their 5K and the company still replaced the unit). The device still receives updates five years after release. Are you aware of any other manufacturer with similar level of customer support (besides RME, but they cater a different market segment)?

The battery is not any less replaceable than in other similar products, and at least the device itself is not glued togethter an can be disassembled relatively easily. Qudelix even sends battery replacement kits if you ask them, at least there were such cases reported by customers. The only downside is the battery itself has rather uncommon dimensions with 3.8 V nominal voltage.

Well, perhaps the customer service by folks from Guangzhou and Shenzhen would satisfy you better.

 

[Kremmen]

Thanks for the info. You've made some good points worth considering.

Well, perhaps the customer service by folks from Guangzhou and Shenzhen would satisfy you better.

Perhaps.

 

[Billy Budapest]

If anyone wants/needs a US-spec Apple dongle, it would be pretty easy to obtain one. Just need to know (or reach out to) someone in the U.S.

 

[masterhw]

If you primarily use streaming services on iPhone/iPad then hardware PEQ is key. I got the JCALLY JM20 Pro which supports 8 PEQ filters (peaking filters only), good enough to bring most headphones/IEMs to near Harman (or whatever your target is). set the filters on my computer and it carries over to whatever device I plug in to.
On top of that, its an excellent little dongle performance wise.

 

[patoulol]

If you primarily use streaming services on iPhone/iPad then hardware PEQ is key. I got the JCALLY JM20 Pro which supports 8 PEQ filters (peaking filters only), good enough to bring most headphones/IEMs to near Harman (or whatever your target is). set the filters on my computer and it carries over to whatever device I plug in to.
On top of that, its an excellent little dongle performance wise.

I don't understand, where do the PEQs go? in the dongle?