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Fabrication of box containing AC power meter, AC volts meter and AC amps meter with AC outlet and power cord.

As soon as a calibration NIST certificate is completed and the label is signed and adhered to a device the price goes up considerably.
Well maybe like my old RS multimeter with RS232 port. I checked it against our instrumentation guys Flukes at work and it matched. They did work where they had to have certs for recal once a year. I checked by cheap RS meter when it was a bit over 10 years old and it still matched. I wouldn't claim the RS was as good as a Fluke, but after comparing I felt pretty comfortable for my personal audio use.
 
Well maybe like my old RS multimeter with RS232 port. I checked it against our instrumentation guys Flukes at work and it matched. They did work where they had to have certs for recal once a year. I checked by cheap RS meter when it was a bit over 10 years old and it still matched. I wouldn't claim the RS was as good as a Fluke, but after comparing I felt pretty comfortable for my personal audio use.
Yes, those meters have good shelf life. When I worked at a metrology lab that also bought used electronics lab gear and refurb'd it and calibrated the stuff for resale. They told me the Flukes, Keithley and HP digital meters etc basically needed a check and cleaning and they where rarely really out of calibration.
 
Most Kill-a-Watt wallplugs also measures power factor... which is telling.;)
Would the use of such a 'consumer-grade' measuring device be considered ASR's... ummmmm... antithesis?
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Just in another thread I suggested a guy with speaker problems to measure using his phone... and it caught the problem

A lot of measurements... a lot of inventions... are done by guys using ghetto methods that they can afford. The tool is not the problem if it is good enough and you know what it can and cannot do. I made output impedance graphs using a soundcard and a resistor. I measured speaker amps with a soundcard.

Science is science. It's the method, not the tool. Our ears is also a tool, and we trust it by performing DBT. It's those who believe the tools but not the science that is ASR's antithesis, and nowadays society call these people by another term - Science worshippers
 
Just in another thread I suggested a guy with speaker problems to measure using his phone... and it caught the problem

A lot of measurements... a lot of inventions... are done by guys using ghetto methods that they can afford. The tool is not the problem if it is good enough and you know what it can and cannot do. I made output impedance graphs using a soundcard and a resistor. I measured speaker amps with a soundcard.

Science is science. It's the method, not the tool. Our ears is also a tool, and we trust it by DBT.
That and I have seen several reviewers use a Kill-a-Watt and refer to using that that in the reviews.
 
Yes, those meters have good shelf life. When I worked at a metrology lab that also bought used electronics lab gear and refurb'd it and calibrated the stuff for resale. They told me the Flukes, Keithley and HP digital meters etc basically needed a check and cleaning and they where rarely really out of calibration.
My then 40 year old Simpson 260 also matched reasonably within its capabilities. I was surprised its response is flat (-3db) to like 150 khz on small voltages, and it was pretty darn good at microamps.
 
My then 40 year old Simpson 260 also matched reasonably within its capabilities. I was surprised its response is flat to like 150 khz on small voltages, and it was pretty darn good at microamps.
A classic! I used to collect bench and portable meters for years and I had something similar looking to the Simpson but it was some quality antique USA name brand and it was gorgeous to view. I really appreciated using that for monitoring the voltage at my workbench.
 
I had this. It died tho.

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I think Triplett model 630s were very similar to the Simpson and one you would see fairly often that were well made.
 
I think Triplett model 630s were very similar to the Simpson and one you would see fairly often that were well made.
That is another classic but the one I had was older than that style. LoL... :D The mirror was huge too.
 
Hi @amirm. There is a fair number of people @ ASR that want metering of extra stuff like efficiency, AC mains power factor, AC Watts consumed and with audio power amps it has been said that multiple AC mains power and efficiency measurements could be made at the following approximate audio amp power output numbers of 0.1W, 0.5W, 1W, 5W and maybe even something higher while 1 k Hz sine wave driven. We are not interested in AC mains power draw when an audio amp is clipping. We have come up with an assortment of ideas and the Kill-a-Watt device seems to fit the needs and be inexpensive too. I have read several reviews and they used Kill-a-Watt metering for AC mains metering. Can you get a KIll-a-Watt or use your B&K Precision AC power supply to meter Vrms, Irms, Ipeak, frequency, PF, apparent power and true power. I looked at the B&K Precision line and the AC power supply I found like yours was US $2550 and I thought it looked like yours. Is a Kill-a-Watt meter good enough for for ASR or is something like the US $2550 AC power supply required? Can your B&K Precision AC power supply meter Vrms, Irms, Ipeak, frequency, PF, apparent power and true power? I think with the efficiency concerns of people getting stronger everyday that this is a good direction to expand on the reviews with.
 
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Well, as I said elsewhere today (on roughly the same topic), NIST-traceable calibration would be nice...
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Is that a thing anymore?
We had 'metrology' departments, which had to confiscate all TE that were passed their 6month calibration cycles.
My browser spell-check just flagged that word above!:rolleyes:
 
Is that a thing anymore?
We had 'metrology' departments, which had to confiscate all TE that were passed their 6month calibration cycles.
My browser spell-check just flagged that word above!:rolleyes:
Yeah, we had 'em, too.
 
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A proper power quality meter with transient analysis is going to be many, many thousands of dollars. I'm not sure what y'all are really looking to measure but if you want millisecond-resolution a hand-held clamp on you bought at the Home Depot isn't going to get you there.
 
I think Triplett model 630s were very similar to the Simpson and one you would see fairly often that were well made.
My Simpson was -- if you can imagine:cool: -- a dump find.
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FWIW, I don't think time resolution is as important as accuracy (and repeatability). I think the most interesting thing to do (still) would be to
look at long-term power consumption of the amp compared to another amp just using it to play music. ;)
 
My Simpson was -- if you can imagine:cool: -- a dump find.
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FWIW, I don't think time resolution is as important as accuracy (and repeatability). I think the most interesting thing to do (still) would be to
look at long-term power consumption of the amp compared to another amp just using it to play music. ;)
Sigh* I wanna marry her! She's beautifullllll. LoL... Love that meter...
 
A proper power quality meter with transient analysis is going to be many, many thousands of dollars. I'm not sure what y'all are really looking to measure but if you want millisecond-resolution a hand-held clamp on you bought at the Home Depot isn't going to get you there.
I like how you speak. Have you seen the B&K Precision line of AC power supplies with metering for Vrms, Irms, Ipeak, PF, apparent power, true power for US $2550 and I think Amirm already has one or similar? Is this good enough in your opinion for ASR? I mean to add as well that I don't see too many other e-media or media outlets doing this sort of full input-to-output (i2O) metering stuff. It really adds a varied aspect that addresses the operation including the power, efficiency (If somebody can make software so it's easy to calculate with variables filled in fields?) and to have Irms, Vrms then we can calculate power(s)(Watts). It would not be a big deal for the additional metrology operations to be added to that which Amirm already performs while testing gear although I think there may require instrumentation changes/additions for various metering operations. It's not a big deal to connect 4 & 8 Ohms loads while monitoring them via a oscilloscope and shooting for 0.1W, 0.5W, 1W, 10W. The peak voltage required for the RMS wattage figures that I stated can be calculated in a minute or so using a online calculator and so it's easy peasy basic roots level i2O metering.
 
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