Extreme Snake Oil

[PristineSound]

Mind you, I have deep fundamental disagreements with using measurements only to ascertain the quality of an audio component... but this... this...

Can you elaborate on this?

 

[tony_ee]

Not really.... that is not the point of my post. Just noting that there might be more things at play, that's all.

But sometimes, like the old Tice Clock, the claims being made are so outlandish that no reasonable person can take it seriously.

Hence....

I just figured you'd get a kick out of the components in this site. I mean, it's beyond preposterous.... I just bought a bunch of fuses the other day for the amps... I think I paid like 9 bucks in Amazon. And, to be honest, since when are fuses directional? What's the point?

Also, if you know anything about ethernet, you realize that.. well... I just bought a nice 5 port managed switch with PoE for 89 bucks at Amazon ( TP-Link TL-SG105MPE )... you understand the claims are beyond absurd.

Heck, right now I'm programming one such device that operates on ethernet... using a switch, Wireshark and a debugger. Maybe I need to tell the boss to replace the Cisco switch with one of those 5000 buck audiophile switches.

Notice something about those tweaks... NOTHING about WiFi. Hmm... The World Needs an Uber High End, Cryogenically Treated WiFi Access Point with a 100w linear power supply with a few KT150 tubes....

Anyhow... have fun with that site. If anything, the writing is funny.

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[PristineSound]

Just noting that there might be more things at play, that's all.

Such as?

 

[tony_ee]

Please stop it.... just enjoy the site. Stick to the point and do not hijack the thread.

 

[PristineSound]

Please stop it.... just enjoy the site. Stick to the point and do not hijack the thread.

To enjoy the site is to enjoy the science. If you are saying there is something else beyond measurements that is audible, then we need to discuss it. It is no different than you pointing out some fuse does not affect audibility.

By not questioning and discussing what you believe that is beyond measurements is also audible, is the opposite of what this site is about.

Science is about not shying away from the unknown, the controversial, the more it is unknown, the more it is controversial, the more it needs to be discussed and invested and done so with vigor.

 

[JSmith]

I just had to post this on ASR because this is beyond ridiculous and preposterous... have fun reading

Yeah that's madness.

Probably better suited to this long standing consolidated snake oil thread though, rather than a new one;

Extreme Snake Oil

So they were from the municipality of Viborg in Denmark? When did you visit or did you come from their planet? :cool: I am not at liberty to disclose this information. :eek:

www.audiosciencereview.com

JSmith

 

[tony_ee]

Enough. I am a physicist.... I KNOW SCIENCE. I DO SCIENCE every day. I am EMPIRICAL... hence my being open to our paradigm changing.

Go Read Thomas Kuhn The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.

My point here was to showcase a web site selling products that are beyond the pale in price with flowery descriptions that have little basis in empirical resesearch. Something that engineers and scientists can agree on.

Can we please just enjoy reading that?

 

[PristineSound]

If you are a physicists, I would imagine you would be eager to further discuss. But if you are shy to talk about it, then I will respect that.

There is nothing to enjoy reading, just another typical snake oil nonsense and garbage in a sea of millions of snake oil nonsense and garbage.

 

[tony_ee]

Me SHY? That's actually funny.

No, I'm just sticking to the point. If you want to discuss paradigms open your thread. However, I doubt I'll join it... That discussion is on going, people are set in their value sets and nothing will change. I'd rather listen to music and keep an eye on the bias of the amp just in case...

@JSmith Thanks... the snake oil thread is really FUNNY.

 

[Chrispy]

Enough. I am a physicist.... I KNOW SCIENCE. I DO SCIENCE every day. I am EMPIRICAL... hence my being open to our paradigm changing.

Go Read Thomas Kuhn The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.

My point here was to showcase a web site selling products that are beyond the pale in price with flowery descriptions that have little basis in empirical resesearch. Something that engineers and scientists can agree on.

Can we please just enjoy reading that?

Just add it to similar in this thread https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/audiophoolery-humour-thread.14494/

 

[DVinylfan]

Was browsing grounding boxes when I discovered a typo in an ad for the Entreq Olympus Ten Ten Grand Box

 

[Truth Ness]

Was browsing grounding boxes when I discovered a typo in an ad for the Entreq Olympus Ten Ten Grand BoxView attachment 511521

From the description:

"Using all four T-Link cables it is possible to turn the Olympus TenTen into one single cell with the ability to ground a single component of 100kg"

WTF. The heavier a component the harder it is to "ground" it or what?
Savour that one!

 

[CD2]

Sensible essay for a while, then a sharp swerve into oily snakes:

Brilliant Corners #36: A New Listening Space, Jean-Marie Reynaud BLISS Jubilé loudspeaker, Stein Acoustic Discs | Stereophile.com

It's difficult to put a positive spin on moving. A recent survey ranked it as life's most stressful event, ahead of divorce, losing a job, or becoming a parent. Forty-two percent of respondents said it brought them to tears. Thirteen percent said it was worse than a week in jail. There's no...

www.stereophile.com

"I heard a better sense of focus, clarity, and control, with an easily audible reduction in splashiness and groove noise."

"clarifying, calming effect,"

and, yes, you guessed it:

"operate on a 'quantum level.'"

 

[BeeKay]

Was browsing grounding boxes when I discovered a typo in an ad for the Entreq Olympus Ten Ten Grand BoxView attachment 511521

Not snake oil! My cats easily can hear the difference even from their litter boxes in another room. Worth every cent.

 

[Holmz]

Was browsing grounding boxes when I discovered a typo in an ad for the Entreq Olympus Ten Ten Grand BoxView attachment 511521

That is in Euros, and then there is duty on top of it.
For a box with reindeer excrement and Scadanvian gravel, it is a good deal.

 

[gluugsnergluug]

Sensible essay for a while, then a sharp swerve into oily snakes:

Brilliant Corners #36: A New Listening Space, Jean-Marie Reynaud BLISS Jubilé loudspeaker, Stein Acoustic Discs | Stereophile.com

It's difficult to put a positive spin on moving. A recent survey ranked it as life's most stressful event, ahead of divorce, losing a job, or becoming a parent. Forty-two percent of respondents said it brought them to tears. Thirteen percent said it was worse than a week in jail. There's no...

www.stereophile.com

"I heard a better sense of focus, clarity, and control, with an easily audible reduction in splashiness and groove noise."

"clarifying, calming effect,"

and, yes, you guessed it:

"operate on a 'quantum level.'"

I'm not sure why IBM keeps spending billions on the whole quantum computing thing. Apparently the audio world has all of that quantum stuff already wrapped up.

 

[PristineSound]

Summary: Expensive cable vs. various medium, including a unripe banana and mud. I'm sure you can guess the results. This reported "experiment" is unverified as far as I am aware, but still a good chuckle.

In Blind Test, Audiophiles Unable to Tell Difference Between Sound Signal Run Through an Expensive Cable and a Banana

A forum mod ran high-quality audio through a banana, old microphone cable soldered to pennies, and wet mud. Nobody could tell the difference.

futurism.com

 

[Mnyb]

Audio Note or how to not design a DAC .

DAC5 | Audio Note (UK)

www.audionote.co.uk

Or even worse

Fifth Element/Force | Audio Note (UK)

www.audionote.co.uk

Cant find their essays on passive I/V conversion ?