Extreme Snake Oil

[mhardy6647]

Pico-vibrations, anyone?

atto-boy!

 

[antcollinet]

atto-boy!

Smooth.

 

[mhardy6647]

I must admit, I wondered whether it was too much of a stretch.

 

[MattHooper]

Oh, this one’s good! This is about a snake oily as you get.

Here’s a video Michael Fremer just put up for the Warsaw audio show, and near the beginning, he shows a presentation of a crazy “ system tuning tweak.” it involves two battery sized objects that the presenter places on the floor between the loudspeakers and takes them away, so that he audience can hear the startling difference their system tuning doodads create.

Fremer even titles the video “ serpent oil alert” and keeps gently prodding the guy to answer the question of how they actually work and explain the technology.

The guys answers are as woo-woo as I’ve ever heard:

Starts @ 4:23 into the video:

 

[Somafunk]

Oh, this one’s good! This is about a snake oily as you get.

I wasn’t satisfied with his technical discussion of the device so further research was needed…….

…….I wish I hadn’t bothered

Chronos Optimizer for Audio Equipment | Nirvana Audio

Chronos Optimizer has the remarkable ability to fully unleash the inherent potential and performance of all audio equipment.

www.nirvana-audio.com

 

[MattHooper]

I wasn’t satisfied with his technical discussion of the device so further research was needed…….

…….I wish I hadn’t bothered

Chronos Optimizer for Audio Equipment | Nirvana Audio

Chronos Optimizer has the remarkable ability to fully unleash the inherent potential and performance of all audio equipment.

www.nirvana-audio.com

this part is great:

One day, accidentally, Nirvana Audio discovered that when a music file—treated with this technology—was stored on a USB flash drive, and that drive was inserted into a playback system’s USB port, the performance of the entire audio system improved noticeably, even if that music file itself was never played. The resulting sound became cleaner, more focused, and richer in detail, suggesting that this USB flash drive was capable of enhancing the performance of the audio system.

Further investigation allowed Nirvana Audio to refine their understanding of this synchronization phenomenon. According to their findings, applying Micro Resonance Sequencing technique (aka MRS technique) to a blank USB flash drive alters the physical properties of its memory at a microscopic level. Even without storing any music files, the presence of the treated USB flash device reduces all forms of irrelevant micro-resonant interference—anything not essentially belong to the musical signal or its sound energy.

 

[mhardy6647]

^^^ more "micro" $#!t
oy vey

 

[MattHooper]

^^^ more "micro" $#!t
oy vey

One of these things is yours for only $2500!

If you haven’t heard one for yourself, then you can’t comment

 

[mhardy6647]

Right you are, @MattHooper!
I need to keep an open mind.
Science and all that.
Objectivity.
Elimination of bias.

I mean... the vote's still out on phlogiston... isn't it?

 

[AaronJ]

this part is great:

One day, accidentally, Nirvana Audio discovered that when a music file—treated with this technology—was stored on a USB flash drive, and that drive was inserted into a playback system’s USB port, the performance of the entire audio system improved noticeably, even if that music file itself was never played. The resulting sound became cleaner, more focused, and richer in detail, suggesting that this USB flash drive was capable of enhancing the performance of the audio system.

Further investigation allowed Nirvana Audio to refine their understanding of this synchronization phenomenon. According to their findings, applying Micro Resonance Sequencing technique (aka MRS technique) to a blank USB flash drive alters the physical properties of its memory at a microscopic level. Even without storing any music files, the presence of the treated USB flash device reduces all forms of irrelevant micro-resonant interference—anything not essentially belong to the musical signal or its sound energy.

This is even more slimy than citing a burn-in period that takes you out of warranty.

Thirdly, the aforementioned "maturation" process is another features of Chronos. Although Chronos undergoes pre-maturation before leaving the factory, the comprehensive maturation process takes place only when Chronos is introduced into the space or room where you actually use Chronos. It's only when Chronos harmoniously synchronizes with the space that it can unleash its full optimizing potential.



If Chronos is relocated to another space, its effects don't instantly dissipate but undergo a gradual attenuation over time. In such a scenario, is there a way to promptly discern the differences between using and not using Chronos? According to Nirvana Audio's experience in exhibition over the years, the perception in this regard varies among individuals. However, for audiophiles accustomed to frequent comparisons of audio equipment, the differences are typically immediately discernible.

 

[MattHooper]

This is even more slimy than citing a burn-in period that takes you out of warranty.

Thirdly, the aforementioned "maturation" process is another features of Chronos. Although Chronos undergoes pre-maturation before leaving the factory, the comprehensive maturation process takes place only when Chronos is introduced into the space or room where you actually use Chronos. It's only when Chronos harmoniously synchronizes with the space that it can unleash its full optimizing potential.



If Chronos is relocated to another space, its effects don't instantly dissipate but undergo a gradual attenuation over time. In such a scenario, is there a way to promptly discern the differences between using and not using Chronos? According to Nirvana Audio's experience in exhibition over the years, the perception in this regard varies among individuals. However, for audiophiles accustomed to frequent comparisons of audio equipment, the differences are typically immediately discernible.

I know that in terms of the demonstrations, a simple bias effect can often suffice.

But I certainly would not put it past these characters to be playing back two different audio files, tweaked for a “ before and after” effect.

 

[antcollinet]

I know that in terms of the demonstrations, a simple bias effect can often suffice.

But I certainly would not put it past these characters to be playing back two different audio files, tweaked for a “ before and after” effect.

Don't even need two files - just switch in and out some filters - or change the volume - etc.

 

[Bruce Morgen]

Among other audiophool fairy tales, affable "high end" grandpa Paul McGowan apparently believes that bypassing a heavy gauge speaker cable with very light (22 AWG!) gauge cable in parallel will result in audibly better high frequency response.

You can't make up this $hit, folks....

 

[BeeKay]

It’s not snake oil peddlers it’s their customers that should worry us.

 

[Mnyb]

I know that in terms of the demonstrations, a simple bias effect can often suffice.

But I certainly would not put it past these characters to be playing back two different audio files, tweaked for a “ before and after” effect.

Don't even need two files - just switch in and out some filters - or change the volume - etc.

Might not be any need , haven’t we all experienced that playing the same track again makes it sound different ?

 

[DavidEdwinAston]

Oh, this one’s good! This is about a snake oily as you get.

Here’s a video Michael Fremer just put up for the Warsaw audio show, and near the beginning, he shows a presentation of a crazy “ system tuning tweak.” it involves two battery sized objects that the presenter places on the floor between the loudspeakers and takes them away, so that he audience can hear the startling difference their system tuning doodads create.

Fremer even titles the video “ serpent oil alert” and keeps gently prodding the guy to answer the question of how they actually work and explain the technology.

The guys answers are as woo-woo as I’ve ever heard:

Starts @ 4:23 into the video:

I had thought that the C word was the least sayable, printable word in discourse. However, surely here, the F word, is worse?

 

[rdenney]

It’s not snake oil peddlers it’s their customers that should worry us.

I suspect the FTC can’t be bothered to enforce truth-in-advertising laws for ultra-expensive snake-oil products because they think high-end audiophiles deserve what they get.

Rick “sigh” Denney

 

[egellings]

Smooth.

Smoove!

 

[RexrothPigeon]

Among other audiophool fairy tales, affable "high end" grandpa Paul McGowan apparently believes that bypassing a heavy gauge speaker cable with very light (22 AWG!) gauge cable in parallel will result in audibly better high frequency response.

You can't make up this $hit, folks....

lol pretty sure their speaker designer posts here. would love to hear a defense of this grift.

 

[Fidji]

Among other audiophool fairy tales, affable "high end" grandpa Paul McGowan apparently believes that bypassing a heavy gauge speaker cable with very light (22 AWG!) gauge cable in parallel will result in audibly better high frequency response.

You can't make up this $hit, folks....

When I see people like McGowan [or Fremer etc] talking about anything related to treble, I have this chart in front of my eyes.
I am sure, he would not realize, if tweeter was blown in his speakers.

I have also a theory on why we see so many screechy speakers with elevated treble - they sound just fine for their intended market, where adding 5dB on 8kHz jst makes you go back 10 years in time in what you are able to hear.