Extreme Snake Oil

[fatoldgit]

And Sys a Phd in physics and a few EEs have replied but hey we dont own a Onix Alpha Xi1, so we have no idea what we are talking about.

So you are saying that all this toing and froing is for a $100 portable USB DAC/AMP cause that's what convinced this person that cables make a difference?

No wonder no one owns it..I certainly don't get out of bed unless the device in question is at least $500.

Ah well, it's a lazy Sunday night down here so no time wasted.

Peter

 

[Randyman...]

Have you not been paying attention?
Or can't you read?

Clearly not.
[edit]
The first clue... there is a difference between the specs.
You're the 'technical expert'.
Ok... so how many different USB-C specs are there? And what's the difference in those specs?

And here's another question... You have a macbook pro that has a USB-C 4 port (Thunderbolt). Now if you use a USB-C cable it will work, right?
But what happens to the throughput versus a USB-C 4 cable?

And again... the Alpha's power issue is documented in the thread I alluded to.

As mentioned - the bandwidths mentioned here are ONLY needed for multiple displays, 10GB+ links and such. Audio is fine on USB2 bandwidth (and "sensible" formats are actually well within USB 1.1 bandwidth!).

And FWIW -regarding clocks and switches - Our plant runs HUNDREDS of 100Gig links for video. We use 1g copper for PTP timing distribution. The "10 gig switch has a better clock" is an invalid argument for numerous reasons...

 

[antcollinet]

The first clue... there is a difference between the specs.
You're the 'technical expert'.
Ok... so how many different USB-C specs are there? And what's the difference in those specs?

The part of this you missing - seemingly deliberately because you've been told numerous times and have just ignored it:

None of those spec differences make an audible difference to the sound. this is known from the science and engineering of both analogue and digital audio.

You know? what this site is all about.

So if you are going to come here and try to turn that on its head, you'd better have some scientific evidence, and not just assertions and hand waving.

But the fact that you're not paying attention to what is being said just helps to show why people tend to avoid this site. (And while I infrequently visit.)

If the people who are staying away have your approach to discussion combined with your cataclysmic ignorance of how audio works technically, and your myopic inability to engage with information, freely given, that might start to reduce some of that ignorance, then we are not missing anything.

 

[Dako]

This is just to much, 43,199 EUR for a speaker cable: https://www.referenceaudio.se/produkt/jorma-design-prime-hogtalarkabel-bi-wire?variant=30691

Product description:
Jorma Prime established Jorma Audio as one of the most respected high-end cable companies. Launched as a “no expense spared” series, it garnered critical acclaim worldwide.
The cables are crafted from the finest materials, including gold and ultra-fine copper (0.5 mm²), with conductors that took over six months to develop.
Bybee Slipstream Quantum Purifiers eliminate inaudible noise, undetectable by typical test bench instruments, delivering previously unattainable resolution.
Jorma Prime offers natural, transparent sound and is one of the finest cable series available on the market.
All Prime cables:
• Conductor insulation material: Uncolored PTFE
• Conductor material: 99.999999% pure copper
• Conductor: Multi-strand with ceramic fiber filler
• Compression sleeve material: Polyolefin
• Shielding material: Tinned copper
• Braided sleeve: PET
• Purifier: Bybee Slipstream Quantum

 

[Mart68]

They eliminate noise that can't be measured or heard, well worth forty grand of anyone's money.

 

[boxerfan88]

This is just to much, 43,199 EUR for a speaker cable: https://www.referenceaudio.se/produkt/jorma-design-prime-hogtalarkabel-bi-wire?variant=30691

Wow !

 

[SoonToBeRetired]

This is just to much, 43,199 EUR for a speaker cable: https://www.referenceaudio.se/produkt/jorma-design-prime-hogtalarkabel-bi-wire?variant=30691

Product description:
Jorma Prime established Jorma Audio as one of the most respected high-end cable companies. Launched as a “no expense spared” series, it garnered critical acclaim worldwide.
The cables are crafted from the finest materials, including gold and ultra-fine copper (0.5 mm²), with conductors that took over six months to develop.
Bybee Slipstream Quantum Purifiers eliminate inaudible noise, undetectable by typical test bench instruments, delivering previously unattainable resolution.
Jorma Prime offers natural, transparent sound and is one of the finest cable series available on the market.
All Prime cables:
• Conductor insulation material: Uncolored PTFE
• Conductor material: 99.999999% pure copper
• Conductor: Multi-strand with ceramic fiber filler
• Compression sleeve material: Polyolefin
• Shielding material: Tinned copper
• Braided sleeve: PET
• Purifier: Bybee Slipstream Quantum

I think it's only 3758 Euros. Isn't the price in Kronas? If so, its more or less reasonable.

 

[Mart68]

I think it's only 3758 Euros. Isn't the price in Kronas? If so, its more or less reasonable.

It is in Krona but still $37K USD

 

[Dako]

I think it's only 3758 Euros. Isn't the price in Kronas? If so, its more or less reasonable.

I already converted to EUR, its 431 990 kr = 38 493,21USD

 

[JustJones]

I think it's only 3758 Euros. Isn't the price in Kronas? If so, its more or less reasonable.

I've never seen any speaker cables where I would think €3758 was reasonable. Maybe €150 if it looked really nice ?

 

[SoonToBeRetired]

I already converted to EUR, its 431 990 kr = 38 493,21USD

Oh, i missed a digit. yes, it is a bit unreasonable for what it is.

 

[JiiPee]

I think it's only 3758 Euros. Isn't the price in Kronas? If so, its more or less reasonable.

- 37,58 Euros would be sensible.
- 375,8 Euros would be expensive.
- 3758 Euros is bonkers as this:

 

[Dako]

Oh, i missed a digit. yes, it is a bit unreasonable for what it is.

A bit unreasonable? This is extreme snake oil at its best

 

[rank]

At the beginning, about fifty years ago, audiophilia was not so bad, I took from it what interested me, making my own boxes (In fact I wasn't even making my enclosures) with drivers rarely if ever used.
I left the nonsense like cables - which even the craziest no longer believed in at the beginning of the 1980s -. Tube amps, sources over $200, (turntables/arms/cartridges : what a mess ! CD players. Total abandon = analog tape recorders, 78 rpm, 8-track cartridges and cylinders).
But also headphones. This helped by the ABX.
Words against numbers, the fight is not equal.

 

[egellings]

Wrong again. At least your consistant. Almost 1/2 a million people have looked at this thread alone. The ones who avoid it are the audiphools with there heads so far up there ass they cant think for themselves.

Or heads so far up their arse that they need a plate glass window installed in their abdomen so that they can see where they're going.

 

[egellings]

This is just to much, 43,199 EUR for a speaker cable: https://www.referenceaudio.se/produkt/jorma-design-prime-hogtalarkabel-bi-wire?variant=30691

Product description:
Jorma Prime established Jorma Audio as one of the most respected high-end cable companies. Launched as a “no expense spared” series, it garnered critical acclaim worldwide.
The cables are crafted from the finest materials, including gold and ultra-fine copper (0.5 mm²), with conductors that took over six months to develop.
Bybee Slipstream Quantum Purifiers eliminate inaudible noise, undetectable by typical test bench instruments, delivering previously unattainable resolution.
Jorma Prime offers natural, transparent sound and is one of the finest cable series available on the market.
All Prime cables:
• Conductor insulation material: Uncolored PTFE
• Conductor material: 99.999999% pure copper
• Conductor: Multi-strand with ceramic fiber filler
• Compression sleeve material: Polyolefin
• Shielding material: Tinned copper
• Braided sleeve: PET
• Purifier: Bybee Slipstream Quantum

At that price, they're a steal! Get a couple for the kids!

 

[rank]

Is it worse than the trade in useless "luxury" products? Clothing, leather goods, jewelry, cars...

 

[Cbdb2]

Is it worse than the trade in useless "luxury" products? Clothing, leather goods, jewelry, cars...

Those products arnt sold by lies. No one who buys a rolex expects it to keep better time, they expect it to impress others. Same with the rest of your list. Audiophools actually think a $10k cable will sound better.

 

[egellings]

Is it worse than the trade in useless "luxury" products? Clothing, leather goods, jewelry, cars...

At least the luxury goods provide a useful function, such as a car, and an expensive car can provide added features that are useful, such as additional accessories and measurably better performance. Jewelry's only function is to look good, and it succeeds at that. The fancy cable's supposed function is to carry an audio signal in a better way than an inexpensive but competent one can. The fancy cable fails at that. It's no better electrically than the cheap but still competent one, and in fact could be worse if it alters sound quality in any way at all.

 

[BeeKay]

Those products arnt sold by lies. No one who buys a rolex expects it to keep better time, they expect it to impress others. Same with the rest of your list. Audiophools actually think a $10k cable will sound better.

Exactly. So the analogy here would be me buying a Rolex and educating the public how much better time is recorded by my obviously less capable device than by your Casio G-Shock