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Extreme Snake Oil

Sound waves are non-electromagnetic acoustic disturbances in the air. Radio waves, which are electromagnetic and inaudible, have audio information encoded into them. The radio receives the radio wavs and picks off the audio modulations, either done to the waves' amplitude, as in AM, or to the frequency, as in FM, and then amplifies the results appropriately to drive a speaker of other transducer. Sound needs a medium in order to get from a source to the ear. Radio waves can operate in a complete vacuum; they need no medium for transmission to occur.
I think he was cracking a gag.
 
Sound waves are non-electromagnetic acoustic disturbances in the air. Radio waves, which are electromagnetic and inaudible, have audio information encoded into them. The radio receives the radio wavs and picks off the audio modulations, either done to the waves' amplitude, as in AM, or to the frequency, as in FM, and then amplifies the results appropriately to drive a speaker of other transducer. Sound needs a medium in order to get from a source to the ear. Radio waves can operate in a complete vacuum; they need no medium for transmission to occur.
You didn't catch up with the sarcasm of the post you commented upon, did you...?
 
I had a go with them. I measured the height difference (my speakers are on castors) and it was 2 millimetres. Can't see that making a difference especially at a listening distance of 18 feet.

Of course the problem is you can't do fast comparisons as it take a couple of minutes to place and remove the feet. My perception was there was some subtle improvement in bass performance - but given the time lapse and that the comparison was sighted I can't rule out bias.

With that, and the cost of them, I decided to pass. I certainly didn't hear the obvious and amazing improvements other people I know experienced when trying them with their speakers.

That may be because there was a more significant change in height with their speakers. Or they have a wooden suspended floor (mine is concrete) or that their speakers are much smaller and lighter than mine. Too many variables.

I will say that I'm not inclined to immediately dismiss them as snake oil.

Interesting thank you.

I had fun trying out a whole bunch of different isolation and coupling materials and devices underneath my loudspeakers. For much of it, I was able to carefully (measuring) maintain the same height of the speakers, just shifting in different layers of products. And I used a set of small furniture jacks similar to this….

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…..underneath the speakers or underneath the platform they were sitting on, So that it only took a couple of pumps of the lever to lift the speakers and swap out a new footer or material, which made some pretty quick changes.

It was certainly fascinating how different materials and combinations appeared to alter the sound. For instance, when I had the speakers on a MDF or a granite base, if I put the base on speaker spikes (in this case low profile Isoacoustic carpet spikes) and then if I placed a hockey puck between those spikes and the floor, the bass would get tighter and the overall tonality would “ lighten” or brighten up. But if I reversed it, and placed the hockey pucks on top of the carpet spikes instead with the carpet spikes going directly into my wood floor, then the sound would reliably get a bit more rich and bassy, with a slightly darker overall tonal shift.

At least that was my reliable impressions anyway. I ended up always preferring some level of coupling of my speakers to the floor, which is why at the bottom of the base I have spikes going into the carpet/floor.
 
Interesting thank you.

I had fun trying out a whole bunch of different isolation and coupling materials and devices underneath my loudspeakers. For much of it, I was able to carefully (measuring) maintain the same height of the speakers, just shifting in different layers of products. And I used a set of small furniture jacks similar to this….

7f084b3d-979a-457d-8683-b2b6d3389a13.dcb8081a42725e9a3c016b26864aba5e.jpeg


…..underneath the speakers or underneath the platform they were sitting on, So that it only took a couple of pumps of the lever to lift the speakers and swap out a new footer or material, which made some pretty quick changes.

It was certainly fascinating how different materials and combinations appeared to alter the sound. For instance, when I had the speakers on a MDF or a granite base, if I put the base on speaker spikes (in this case low profile Isoacoustic carpet spikes) and then if I placed a hockey puck between those spikes and the floor, the bass would get tighter and the overall tonality would “ lighten” or brighten up. But if I reversed it, and placed the hockey pucks on top of the carpet spikes instead with the carpet spikes going directly into my wood floor, then the sound would reliably get a bit more rich and bassy, with a slightly darker overall tonal shift.

At least that was my reliable impressions anyway. I ended up always preferring some level of coupling of my speakers to the floor, which is why at the bottom of the base I have spikes going into the carpet/floor.
Cool! Ima heading out for Jamesons and many Ceasers... This sounds familiar to what you are driving at and the sought after LPs... I'm continuing after the other thread.
Seemingly cool because I know you seek 80s and 90s dance tunes or at least something like that. I sought after a 80s Miami hit release but was unsuccessfuls... sigh*
 
Cool! Ima heading out for Jamesons and many Ceasers... This sounds familiar to what you are driving at and the sought after LPs... I'm continuing after the other thread.
Seemingly cool because I know you seek 80s and 90s dance tunes or at least something like that. I sought after a 80s Miami hit release but was unsuccessfuls... sigh*

1. If I ever hear that yellow track again, I’ll scream. It’s used endlessly in audio demos both it shows on YouTube.

2. Disco Inferno. Good Times. I used to be part of a large funk/disco band and we played that tune a lot. Not really one of my favourites actually.

If I’m going for cheesy deep cuts, I might go for something like these from my record collection:



Some of the disco records sound really damn good on my system!
 
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Hi 2
The most serious is still the review of KC's album in BRA Atmos... :facepalm:
 
Hi, greetings from Poland
There is also snake oil in Poland. See here: https://www.highfidelity.pl/start.html
The site is in Polish, but today's translators are nice.
If you want to laugh, read colorful descriptions. The guy who writes this, has long lost contact with reality.

RoB

You did not promise too much. I don't remember reading perfect BS in such a condensed form ever before.
 
Yes, but a nice one, so there's that;), but i wonder, wouldn't Bamboo with the same thickness be even better?
You would want a densified wood like Panzerholtz which is chemically treated wood and then compressed at high pressure and baked for a period of time.
In Panzerholts its also impregnated w resin. So it ends up becoming "bullet proof'. Imagine if you had plys treated and then created your plywood in resin using the same process. In the same thickness of space, you would have many more plys.

Or go w an American product that uses recycled cardboard and resin. (There are other products too including one that uses paper. )

All would be a far improvement over redwood.
 
A rare golden ear, who can hear the details not even shown by Audio Precision analyzers :facepalm:
The tested cable is made of very high purity copper .
And yet... You could feel in this playing that it was about fluidity , that the designer cared about depth and freedom - but precisely in this order. This is a cable that differentiates colors very well, with a deeply built sound stage. It does not draw attention to details, nor does it emphasize individual sound planes. On the other hand, it does not play with large planes. This is interesting, because usually we deal with one or the other case.
 
A rare golden ear, who can hear the details not even shown by Audio Precision analyzers :facepalm:


I find it distressing that people get paid good money to write this gobbledegook. Money that - ultimately - comes from the pockets of those they deceive lie to.
 
I find it distressing that people get paid good money to write this gobbledegook. Money that - ultimately - comes from the pockets of those they deceive lie to.
I often read that the salesman ripping them off is considered trusted, ‘one of those that I trust suggested’ ( expensive ethernet switch ) that is sad.
Keith
 
Cable makers don't even hide the fact that their claims are all magic and....

Voodoo Labs Carbon Age Standard Cables


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.... it's written on the box! Voodoo & Witchcraft & Carbon Age & Flux Optimised, even a black cat for the logo... :rolleyes:

At this point cable companies openly mock their customers. Besides 'Voodoo,' 'Snake River' and 'Snake Oil' cable companies exist... :facepalm:

Btw, the cables are $8200... :eek:
 
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You would want a densified wood like Panzerholtz which is chemically treated wood and then compressed at high pressure and baked for a period of time.
In Panzerholts its also impregnated w resin. So it ends up becoming "bullet proof'. Imagine if you had plys treated and then created your plywood in resin using the same process. In the same thickness of space, you would have many more plys.

Or go w an American product that uses recycled cardboard and resin. (There are other products too including one that uses paper. )

All would be a far improvement over redwood.
you mean marine MDF
 
I find it distressing that people get paid good money to write this gobbledegook. Money that - ultimately - comes from the pockets of those they deceive lie to.
for the fun of devils advocate.....we can only test certain parameters easily. there may still be research and quantifiable data/methods of testing that we do not have access to or cannot easily test. its easier to say something is non existent because you cant test or find it - that's not how the scientific process works and by saying that it fouls the back bone of many peoples work in many industries who may be smarter than me or you and their scientific achievements.
 
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