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Extreme Snake Oil

I'm sure their scientists have reams of irrefutable data, but unfortunately it's proprietary. The competition would steal their secrets in a heartbeat!
indeed there's no money to be made by revealing your revolutionary findings in the world of Physics. That Nobel Prize cash is barely worth picking up.

They could commission a blind test with neutral third party observers, but I suspect they're probably really busy and just haven't got round to it yet.
 
indeed there's no money to be made by revealing your revolutionary findings in the world of Physics. That Nobel Prize cash is barely worth picking up.

They could commission a blind test with neutral third party observers, but I suspect they're probably really busy and just haven't got round to it yet.
I'm sure all that research on the cutting edge is nerve-wracking.
 
Well, darn that is a sobering point of view! Especially since I just paid around $1500 for three Shunyata power cords and one RCA interconnect. And I was planning to save up to buy more. They haven’t arrived yet. I bought from Music Dirext and they have a 60 day return policy. I hope that I’ll be able to report I hear an unmistakable improvement in SQ. I certainly hope so!

I am not about to read all 111 pages of snake oil comments. Will someone please direct me to some OBJECTIVE proof they Shunyata products DO or DON’T sound as advertised?
You’re in the wrong Internet group. There’s nothing but hurt ahead.
 
Will someone please direct me to some OBJECTIVE proof they Shunyata products DO or DON’T sound as advertised?
Why would that be up to us? Why doesn’t the company provide objective evidence proving that those products do what they advertise?

Besides, why would this product be different from all the other power cords tested here already? You don’t need objective proof, you need an understanding of science and engineering.
 
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Why would that be up to us? Why doesn’t the company provide objective evidence that those products do what they advertise?

Besides, why would this product be different from all the other power cords tested here already? You don’t need objective proof, you need an understanding of science and engineering.
Ouch! that was a verbal smack.......
 
I often wonder how a fool and his money ever got together in the first place.
So true. But due to the information silos very smart people can know nothing about science. My friend was asking his 7 figure investment banker son about what to buy for cables. He had just spent a goodly sum on a NAIM all in one and Focal Sopra2 speakers. His son’s snotty haughty audiofool investment banker friend scoffed that he’d personally spent more than that on cables. You can’t be a dummy to make over a million a year but you can be fairly ignorant of anything but your own trade.
 
So true. But due to the information silos very smart people can know nothing about science. My friend was asking his 7 figure investment banker son about what to buy for cables. He had just spent a goodly sum on a NAIM all in one and Focal Sopra2 speakers. His son’s snotty haughty audiofool investment banker friend scoffed that he’d personally spent more than that on cables. You can’t be a dummy to make over a million a year but you can be fairly ignorant of anything but your own trade.
Dummies can inherit money or win such sums of money in a lottery. That doesn't make them any smarter.
 
True. But all these investment bankers were at the top of their classes. Those kids get the big bucks jobs.
That is certainly true, as long as the bankers stay in their own lane. Once they veer outside that, they're no better than us chickens, bedawk! Kids benefit similarly from parents in other occupations as well.
 
So true. But due to the information silos very smart people can know nothing about science. My friend was asking his 7 figure investment banker son about what to buy for cables. He had just spent a goodly sum on a NAIM all in one and Focal Sopra2 speakers. His son’s snotty haughty audiofool investment banker friend scoffed that he’d personally spent more than that on cables. You can’t be a dummy to make over a million a year but you can be fairly ignorant of anything but your own trade.
That is unbelievably common. That is why I always like people who are always open to learning for a lifetime. So many people do college and then about 3 or 4 years later stop learning anything out of their chosen field. I see it daily.
 
Well, darn that is a sobering point of view! Especially since I just paid around $1500 for three Shunyata power cords and one RCA interconnect. And I was planning to save up to buy more. They haven’t arrived yet. I bought from Music Dirext and they have a 60 day return policy. I hope that I’ll be able to report I hear an unmistakable improvement in SQ. I certainly hope so!

I am not about to read all 111 pages of snake oil comments. Will someone please direct me to some OBJECTIVE proof they Shunyata products DO or DON’T sound as advertised?
Firstly, make sure that your power cables are correctly certified. I'm in Australia, but I understand that the cables should be UL Listed and marked as such for use in the US. Here, we see any number of power cables that aren't certified for use. Safety is more important than sound quality, especially if an insurance claim may also be rejected.

Secondly, get in touch with Amir and see if you can get one of those power cables to him, tested, and returned if needed within the 60 days. I suspect he may well be prepared to accommodate this, given the reputation of Shunyata. Maybe do the same for the interconnect. If you can arrange a blind test on one of the other power cables, see if you can tell the difference between this and a standard cable that way.

If they show a measured difference then you have your objective evidence. If you can tell the difference between the cables blind, then you have at least some reason to believe the cables do something and that can be further investigated.

Unfortunately, even those reviewers and publications that provide measurement for active components, don't do the same for cables, Given the negative results for difference of so many measured cables tested independently, it is probably because there is not that much to measure.

Of course, most users plug them in, "hear" a difference, and aren't bothered: or don't hear a difference but keep them anyway, oddly enough.
 
Someone just fleeced a forum member out of $1500 and now I'm the bad guy? :facepalm:;)
You should find a more tactful way of saying, "You got rolled!". And don't giggle!
 
If the AC power cords are correctly wired, then the extremely rare problems will be situation specific. Almost impossible to replicate in a test setup.
Possible rare problems:
a] Jim Brown - cord acting as interference antenna.
b] Bill Whitlock - The Elephant in the Room
 
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