Eversolo T8 Digital Transport!

[WeekendWarrior]

FROM GOOGLE

"Fiber" is the American English spelling, while "fibre" is the British English spelling, and both refer to the same thing. The difference is regional, with the United States preferring the "fiber" spelling and the United Kingdom preferring the "-re" spelling.

Here's a quick guide to help you choose:

• Fiber:
  Use in American English, for example, in reference to dietary fiber or fiber optic cables.
  
  
• Fibre:
  Use in British English, for example, when discussing textile fibers or the moral fiber of a person.
  

Both spellings are correct and widely understood, but using the appropriate spelling for your audience or geographical context is important.

I would suspect it keeps the streamer regular.

When you use it, wonder if the vocals have an American twang?

 

[SoySalsaPicante]

Fiber: "fai bur"
Fibre: "fee bray"

 

[Sokel]

Looks decent but it's probably just another streamer.
To the point the landscape becomes boring, following the DAC flood, another device, another inaudible improvement (?)

Hope they got better at their power supplies, cause it's close to a joke making a linear power supply that fails at 2025 after half of century (more?) of experience.
I mean a DIYer would be embarrassed building a low noise linear power supply that fails.

Hope it was a good lesson, but to me they will be on the black list until they prove reliability over the next years.
And it's a pity cause they were kind of decent before that.

 

[SoySalsaPicante]

Looks decent but it's probably just another streamer.
To the point the landscape becomes boring, following the DAC flood, another device, another inaudible improvement (?)

Hope they got better at their power supplies, cause it's close to a joke making a linear power supply that fails at 2025 after half of century (more?) of experience.
I mean a DIYer would be embarrassed building a low noise linear power supply that fails.

Hope it was a good lesson, but to me they will be on the black list until they prove reliability over the next years.
And it's a pity cause they were kind of decent before that.

The software is solid. Their UI is the only one I've seen that is comparable to WiiM's for ease of use/intuitiveness. Better than I can say for BluOS or any of the FiiO streamers. Have not tried the Cambridge streamers or anything with Volumio, though, so don't know how their UI is. Anecdotally, I haven't heard great things about Volumio either. In my opinion, given the performance is basically transparent for 95% of these things if used with an external DAC anyway, the software and (streaming) platform support are more important than anything else, and that's where WiiM and Eversolo are leagues above most of the competition.

And WiiM doesn't support Apple Music natively (or even AirPlay on most of their higher tier kit).

 

[Sokel]

The software is solid. Their UI is the only one I've seen that is comparable to WiiM's for ease of use/intuitiveness. Better than I can say for BluOS or any of the FiiO streamers. Have not tried the Cambridge streamers or anything with Volumio, though, so don't know how their UI is. Anecdotally, I haven't heard great things about Volumio either. In my opinion, given the performance is basically transparent for 95% of these things if used with an external DAC anyway, the software and (streaming) platform support are more important than anything else, and that's where WiiM and Eversolo are leagues above most of the competition.

And WiiM doesn't support Apple Music natively (or even AirPlay on most of their higher tier kit).

Of all these gear are limited, closed environment devices.
As it goes no trust at their filters, EQ, etc. until measured, we have seen snakes coming out of nowhere with BluOs for example.

At the core of it, a laptop with the right gear next to it can outperform all of them by a big margin.
Specially if one wants overall control.
But they look nice, no doubt about it.

 

[SoySalsaPicante]

Of all these gear are limited, closed environment devices.
As it goes no trust at their filters, EQ, etc. until measured, we have seen snakes coming out of nowhere with BluOs for example.

At the core of it, a laptop with the right gear next to it can outperform all of them by a big margin.
Specially if one wants overall control.
But they look nice, no doubt about it.

The Bluenode streamer issue had to do with DAC reconstruction filter implementation, no? Using an external DAC would avoid this insanity.

I don't disagree with you from a performance standpoint with the laptop, but for me, it was highly inconvenient leaving my laptop at the music console all the time physically connected by USB to the DAC. Furthermore the UPnP implementation on the Marantz M1, I found, is not completely stable/reliable, so using Audirvana to play to it over WiFi wasn't a great experience either.

From an experience standpoint, with a good UI like WiiM or Eversolo devices, you get to focus on the music and not on the act of playing it, if you get what I mean. And it just works. Leaving everything disabled in terms of processing/filtering, including even fixed maximum volume, and then using an external downstream device for actual processing, should mostly avoid these weird processing things (keep it as bit-perfect, if possible, as it goes). For me, this setup is working well with the M1 providing DIRAC Live correction, volume control, bass management (I chose a subwoofer without DSP and physically placed it equidistant from the main listening position to handle timing/avoid needing to set delays for the speakers), and transparent amplification downstream, and I find the Eversolo to be a fine performer (for now). Time will tell how the power supply holds up.

 

[mglobe]

When you use it, wonder if the vocals have an American twang?

Which one? New York, Boston, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Houston, New Orleans,... there's a lot of different ones.

 

[SoySalsaPicante]

Which one? ...New Orleans,... there's a lot of different ones.

As a native New Yorker, I find that one the most amusing.

 

[SoySalsaPicante]

Looks decent but it's probably just another streamer.
To the point the landscape becomes boring, following the DAC flood, another device, another inaudible improvement (?)

Hope they got better at their power supplies, cause it's close to a joke making a linear power supply that fails at 2025 after half of century (more?) of experience.
I mean a DIYer would be embarrassed building a low noise linear power supply that fails.

Hope it was a good lesson, but to me they will be on the black list until they prove reliability over the next years.
And it's a pity cause they were kind of decent before that.

Thanks for the heads up on the linear PSU issues (with DMP-A6 Gen2). Have just gone back to my reseller and purchased a supplemental warranty for 3 years.

Love the device; too expensive to just let it go on me randomly without coverage, though.

 

[Morla]

Might be a good idea to not put a copper transceiver in the sfp port. Those tend to become very hot.

 

[SoySalsaPicante]

Might be a good idea to not put a copper transceiver in the sfp port. Those tend to become very hot.

I'm not convinced that using a hard line of any sort actually provides any audible benefit. WiFi seems transparent enough--there is significantly more bandwidth available than is actually necessary even for uncompressed high-resolution lossless audio considering the same connections can handle (compressed) 4K UHD video wirelessly.

 

[Berwhale]

I'm not convinced that using a hard line of any sort actually provides any audible benefit. WiFi seems transparent enough--there is significantly more bandwidth available than is actually necessary even for uncompressed high-resolution lossless audio considering the same connections can handle (compressed) 4K UHD video wirelessly.

It's less about total bandwidth, more about guaranteed bandwidth. Other devices such as microwaves and phones can and do interfere with Wi-Fi causing momentary dropouts. You avoid this problem with a wired connection. I would always use a wired connection in preference to a wi-fi connection if one is available. I flood wired my house with CAT5E 18 years ago to ensure that was the case at home

 

[masterhw]

I'm not convinced that using a hard line of any sort actually provides any audible benefit. WiFi seems transparent enough--there is significantly more bandwidth available than is actually necessary even for uncompressed high-resolution lossless audio considering the same connections can handle (compressed) 4K UHD video wirelessly.

right, the bandwidth has been a solved problem for a long while, but I think these pursuits are about minimizing EMI. I typically go ethernet for stability, as wireless has less reliable casting/airplay in my experience. I suppose then that a completely electrically isolated fibre optic networking signal (SFP) is the final boss of that pursuit then, but I have no reason to believe an adequately implemented ethernet jack would be problematic either.

and at the end of the day in digital systems either the bits arrive intact or they don’t, there are no shades of quality.

 

[Purité Audio]

Of all these gear are limited, closed environment devices.
As it goes no trust at their filters, EQ, etc. until measured, we have seen snakes coming out of nowhere with BluOs for example.

At the core of it, a laptop with the right gear next to it can outperform all of them by a big margin.
Specially if one wants overall control.
But they look nice, no doubt about it.

I used a Macbook Pro as my reference for many years, streamers are convenient though.
Keith

 

[WeekendWarrior]

Which one? New York, Boston, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Houston, New Orleans,... there's a lot of different ones.

It'd obviously depend what music you were listening to. Country would be Nashville, although perhaps with the occasional British settler folk twang...other stereotypes apply.

 

[EERecordist]

I'm not sure it is a good idea to have consumers go down the path of optical communications complexity with a SFP. As we used to say "do not look into the fiber with your remaining good eye."

Maybe Eversolo will build that into future products. It sounds like a customer support nightmare.

I think it is weird to call it a transport.

I do wonder what chip they are using to implement all their modes of IIS over HDMI and what use case they are going for with that complexity and customer support nightmare.

 

[masterhw]

I'm not sure it is a good idea to have consumers go down the path of optical communications complexity with a SFP. As we used to say "do not look into the fiber with your remaining good eye."

yeah and use S/PDIF optical if one wants to completely electrically isolate their digital source from their DAC, I can’t think of ANY reason why a purely digital transport would benefit from having the lowest EMI possible. either the bits are passed on or they’re not!

 

[EERecordist]

yeah and use S/PDIF optical if one wants to completely electrically isolate their digital source from their DAC, I can’t think of ANY reason why a purely digital transport would benefit from having the lowest EMI possible. either the bits are passed on or they’re not!

Agree! Ethernet uses an isolation transformer so it is hard to understand the issue the vendor is trying to address.

 

[Purité Audio]

Sadly just pandering to the ‘subjective’ crowd, as has been mentioned their substitution of a perfectly well designed SMPS for a LPS did not end well!
Keith

 

[Sokel]

streamers are convenient though.
Keith

The gear themselves, maybe.
But if you listen to classical, services are a nightmare.

Unless of course someone has a thing about searching, we don't judge here, I have seen far worst vices