Eversolo T8 Digital Transport!

[grgppsc]

As usual a wine analogy done wrong.

The wine is not the gear, it is the music (the thing we enjoy). The bottle/box and or glass is the thing that delivers the wine to our lips, just as our reproduction gear delivers the music to our ears. We can measure the cleanliness of the glass, or the chemical composition of the plastic in boxed wine, and find out if it is going to contaminate the wine, and if so by how much and are we likely to be able to taste the contamination.

Generally we want neither the bottle, nor the glass to add any contamination to the wine. Colourless, dry, transparent and with no flavour is exactly how we want the glass - just as we do our reproduction gear.

Mr. Pink Floyd should have asked about the bottle/glass combo then...
I can understand though, innkeeper's hybrid marketing strategy being so confusing!

But wait a second, what about the ageing smoked barrels in which wine or whiskey is kept? Isn't that a flavour we look for? Would vacuum tube amps be a good analogy to that?

 

[antcollinet]

16bit value (just an example) was a mistake and it's corrected now. But there were some, even professional DSP processors working at 24/96...
Dynaudio LYD series monitors (contemporary actives) are in production and Thomann says something about an internal DSP at 24/96, with no digital input though. So there will be ADC-DSP-DAC, from analog inputs to those LF/HF class-D amps...

I'm much less worried about 24/96 DSP.

 

[antcollinet]

what about the ageing smoked barrels in which wine or whiskey is kept? Isn't that a flavour we look for?

Aging is part of the production process.

Would vacuum tube amps be a good analogy to that?

Not if they're used as part of the reproduction process.

 

[Leeken]

Can someone explain to me why digital transports without a dac always cost more than if there is a dac included? Absolute madness if you ask me tbh
Gotta be audiophile nonsense imo.

 

[grgppsc]

Can someone explain to me why digital transports without a dac always cost more than if there is a dac included? Absolute madness if you ask me tbh
Gotta be audiophile nonsense imo.

It must be a lifestyle thing, using a stylish glass and not drinking straight from the bottle...

 

[grgppsc]

Aging is part of the production process.

Not if they're used as part of the reproduction process.

What about most of the mainstream music (we may love), form whatever period of time you can think of, which is poorly recorded and mixed for marketing reasons and/or estimating a flawed target reproduction gear of those times? Why is such a sin for an audiophile to look for some smoothness/richness/colour that could tame some defects and make music listening more enjoyable? If music is an art, why high-end audio reproduction shouldn't be? Especially when "ears" are so different!?

 

[Purité Audio]

You can add as much distortion as you like, after all only you has to listen to it.
Keith

 

[grgppsc]

You can add as much distortion as you like, after all only you has to listen to it.

What are you selling then? Why should we buy the high-end Eversolos as the cheaper ones, or the cheapest Wiim/Topping/SMSL do exactly the same? Where's the "science" in saying that "Z10 sounds better"?

 

[Purité Audio]

I have never said the Z10 sounds ‘better’ I have said many times it is audibly transparent.
I have also stated countless times purchase on aesthetics, features and budget.
Keith

 

[grgppsc]

I have never said the Z10 sounds ‘better’ I have said many times it is audibly transparent.
I have also stated countless times purchase on aesthetics, features and budget.
Keith

My bad here, "sound quality is exponentially better"!!!

 

[antcollinet]

My bad here, "sound quality is exponentially better"!!!

I think that was sarcasm/satire. However since @Purité Audio left off the needed emoji, poe's law has applied.

 

[SoySalsaPicante]

My bad here, "sound quality is exponentially better"!!!

Pretty sure that was sarcasm

 

[grgppsc]

A paying customer is always right, I get it. That's also scientific!!!

 

[Purité Audio]

It’s expensive naturally it’s better.
Keith

 

[grgppsc]

It’s expensive naturally it’s better.
Keith

Yes, you're absolutely right!

Can you please ask your friend Mr. Eversolo @eversolo member here to solve the Tidal problem I'm experiencing on Eversolo streamers like this T8 and A8? He told me in private that he will look into it...

I appreciate your contribution here!

Eversolo S/PDIF output problem

Hi there, I have DMP-A8 and now testing T8 (demo unit from my dealer), as digital streaming transports, feeding external DACs and I'm experiencing the following issue with both devices on S/PDIF (coaxial and optical) outputs: - No track is playing exactly from the beginning, 1 or 2 seconds are...

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[Purité Audio]

I use Quboz and Roon, no issues here, I hope you resolve the problem. I would add that the only stuttering/dropout issues I have encountered have all been network based.
Keith

 

[RichB]

The DAC inputs of the D900 and D90 III discrete do not sound the same with instantaneous switching.
Of course, doing so requires sending the same source to identical DACs, so you need two of them (which I have done).
Roon linked zones is useful synching the sources, that can also require two sources, RPI5/PI2AES and even two Eversolo T8s (yes, I have done this test).

So having done these listening tests, I am absolutely certain that all DAC inputs on the D900 an D90 III Discrete do not sound the same.
Specifically, USB, AES, and I2S sound different. This could be a Topping thing, there is different processing on all these inputs.
This seems perfectly reasonable since nothing is really known about the implementation and there are no measurements comparing them.

But if I am correct, that means that all DACs do not sound the same. A dangerous thought experiment, indeed.
I have put far more effort than most to have valid A/B testing.

If one believes that digital inputs always sound the same, then the it makes sense to subtly deride the T8.

The T8 is a much better experience for Roon that the RPi5/PI2AEs.
The integration with Roon and display, WOL power on, trigger support makes this a great addition to my systems.

There may be environments, where the T8 isolation is beneficial.
This could be tested in a LAB environment but is not tested on ASR.
With no testing of the T8 isolation indicating otherwise, it is certainly possible this product could provide a beneficial in some installations.

- Rich

 

[Purité Audio]

Quote,
‘But if I am correct, that means that all DACs do not sound the same.’
Clearly all dacs do not sound the same, and your testing has possibly only shown that Topping’s implementation of the two inputs is not what it might be.
Keith

 

[antcollinet]

This seems perfectly reasonable

Not to me.

 

[grgppsc]

I use Quboz and Roon, no issues here, I hope you resolve the problem. I would add that the only stuttering/dropout issues I have encountered have all been network based.
Keith

In my situation couldn't be network related as this didn't happen on A8 when using it as an all in one (streamer and DAC) with it's analog outputs. It only happens when using it as a streamer only or with T8. And it never happened with Wiim Pro or Bluesound Node...