Eurovision 2022 : Who are you rooting for?

[jae]

Looks like Ukraine stole this one with pity points. Greaaaaaaaaaat.

Noticed Russia was banned from this one too for obvious reasons. What a shame.

 

[theREALdotnet]

Call them pity points if you like.

Personally I think this is an incredibly postive message for the people of Europe to send to the people of Ukraine. And to the people of Russia - if they are able to receive it.

Yes, and if Amir ever tests a Ukrainian product it should automatically receive a golfing panther, to send a message to the people Ukraine and the people of Russia…

 

[Katji]

Portugal was most to my taste.

Portugal and Spain the only ones I could listen to more than about 20 seconds. The most exceptional - as in different from the europop standard.

I don't mind Ukraine winning either, this is obviously to show some solidarity with the country. It's never been just about the music, neighboring countries are for instance very likely to vote for each other.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu...g-deal-for-ukrainians-and-not-only-this-year/

 

[Katji]

Off the top of my head, Azerbaijan and Israel are also non-European participants, and Turkey is only barely in Europe.

And Kazakhstan. The name should be changed. Unless it implies [the vision] of wanting to be in EU or NATO.

Australia's in the eurovision competition. It's no where near Europe. Is it the only non-european country in the competition?

Why? Because Aussies have a long history of loving eurovision.

^^-o heh? Are you serious? How could that be the reason? All I could think of is that it's a British colony iow European. So then Canada, NZ and USA should be in too.

 

[abdo123]

Call them pity points if you like.

Personally I think this is an incredibly postive message for the people of Europe to send to the people of Ukraine. And to the people of Russia - if they are able to receive it.

I feel conflicted at such circumances because i'm a sore loser and Personally think the voices yelling 'it was a pity win' would be much higher in volume.

 

[antcollinet]

And Kazakhstan. The name should be changed. Unless it implies [the vision] of wanting to be in EU or NATO.


^^-o heh? Are you serious? How could that be the reason? All I could think of is that it's a British colony iow European. So then Canada, NZ and USA should be in too.

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[sarumbear]

Off the top of my head, Azerbaijan and Israel are also non-European participants, and Turkey is only barely in Europe.

I have news for you:

Geographically Europe’s eastern boundary is the Ural Mountains, which run north to south from the Arctic Ocean down through Russia to Kazakhstan. That makes Azerbaijan and Turkey in Europe.

Naturally political borders are a different matter.

 

[mansr]

The border follows the Urals, then passes through the Black Sea, like so:

Azerbaijan and Turkey (apart from a tiny corner) are thus clearly in Asia.

 

[antcollinet]

Interestingly the City of Istanbul in Turkey is both in Europe and Asia as it straddles the Bosporus strait.

 

[sarumbear]

The border follows the Urals, then passes through the Black Sea, like so:

Azerbaijan and Turkey (apart from a tiny corner) are thus clearly in Asia.

I’m sure you have heard of the term Caucasian describing the White European race. That is the name of the mountains to the east off Turkey and just north of Azerbaijan. Your map is the political map of Europe, not geographical.

 

[usersky]

Off the top of my head, Azerbaijan and Israel are also non-European participants, and Turkey is only barely in Europe.

As for the result this time, I'm thankful we (UK) won't have to host it next year. I'd rather see my tax money spent on something more useful.

Italy got 6 euro for each euro invested in this fraud so it seems not to be a bad business after all.

 

[usersky]

Trivia: did you know that 6 countries' juries votes were canceled (stolen) by the organisers? These "technical problems" concering connections with national juries were not tehnical at all. Organisers just erased what 6 countries voted for and decreted 12 points go for Ukraine. Romania, Moldavia, Adzerbaidjan, Poland and others were just humiliated by "technical problems". Romanian national TV for example had an official statement about the matter. It's one thing to steal $millions and totally a different matter stealing just plain bad cheap tunes masqueraded as music. ABBA at Eurovision was such an accident...

 

[mansr]

I’m sure you have heard of the term Caucasian describing the White European race. That is the name of the mountains to the east off Turkey and just north of Azerbaijan. Your map is the political map of Europe, not geographical.

Here's the description of Europe from Britannica:
"Europe, second smallest of the world’s continents, composed of the westward-projecting peninsulas of Eurasia (the great landmass that it shares with Asia) and occupying nearly one-fifteenth of the world’s total land area. It is bordered on the north by the Arctic Ocean, on the west by the Atlantic Ocean, and on the south (west to east) by the Mediterranean Sea, the Black Sea, the Kuma-Manych Depression, and the Caspian Sea. The continent’s eastern boundary (north to south) runs along the Ural Mountains and then roughly southwest along the Emba (Zhem) River, terminating at the northern Caspian coast."

Do you have anything to back your stance other than hand-waving and irrelevant references to a made-up "race"?

 

[sarumbear]

As for the result this time, I'm thankful we (UK) won't have to host it next year. I'd rather see my tax money spent on something more useful.

Do you know that more people watched Eurovision than the FA Cup final?

Or that the UK exports music revenues are almost £3 million? We earn a lot from music and Eurovision can only help that.

 

[abdo123]

Trivia: did you know that 6 countries' juries votes were canceled (stolen) by the organisers? These "technical problems" concering connections with national juries were not tehnical at all. Organisers just erased what 6 countries voted for and decreted 12 points go for Ukraine. Romania, Moldavia, Adzerbaidjan, Poland and others were just humiliated by "technical problems". Romanian national TV for example had an official statement about the matter. It's one thing to steal $millions and totally a different matter stealing just plain bad cheap tunes masqueraded as music. ABBA at Eurovision was such an accident...

This doesn't make sense at all. The jury watches a 'practice run' of the show weeks before the real thing and they vote based on that. The whole calling countries for the votes is just a charade for TV.

It makes absolutely zero sense for the votes to be changed or faked.

 

[abdo123]

Do you know that more people watched Eurovision than the FA Cup final?

Or that the UK exports music revenues are almost £3 million? We earn a lot from music and Eurovision can only help that.

200 milion viewers Saturday night.

 

[usersky]

This doesn't make sense at all. The jury watches a 'practice run' of the show weeks before the real thing and they vote based on that. The whole calling countries for the votes is just a charade for TV.

It makes absolutely zero sense for the votes to be changed or faked.

Just check the official statements of national televisions involved. Sense is such a great abstract concept.

excerpt: "However, we were surprised to find that the result of the Romanian jury's vote was not taken into account in the calculation of the final ranking, the organizers assigning another set of scores to the competitors in the final, on behalf of the jury of our country [...]
At the same time, the presenter Eda Marcus was not allowed to enter the official broadcast to communicate the results, as TVR had previously agreed with the organizers, according to the procedures[...]
In this extraordinary context, which surprised us unpleasantly, TVR asked the ESC organizers to provide us, officially, the concrete reasons why they replaced the jury score in Romania with a “substitute” calculated in a non-transparent way. Depending on the answer that will be sent to us, TVR reserves the right to take measures to correct the situation created."

 

[sarumbear]

Here's the description of Europe from Britannica:
"Europe, second smallest of the world’s continents, composed of the westward-projecting peninsulas of Eurasia (the great landmass that it shares with Asia) and occupying nearly one-fifteenth of the world’s total land area. It is bordered on the north by the Arctic Ocean, on the west by the Atlantic Ocean, and on the south (west to east) by the Mediterranean Sea, the Black Sea, the Kuma-Manych Depression, and the Caspian Sea. The continent’s eastern boundary (north to south) runs along the Ural Mountains and then roughly southwest along the Emba (Zhem) River, terminating at the northern Caspian coast."

Do you have anything to back your stance other than hand-waving and irrelevant references to a made-up "race"?

My first post is there to show my reference for you to see.

Meanwhile, do you know where the Caspian see is?

 

[sarumbear]

Just check the official statements of national televisions involved. Sense is such a great abstract concept.

There are two votes, jury vote and the public vote. Final result is the sum of two.

 

[abdo123]

Just check the official statements of national televisions involved. Sense is such a great abstract concept.

I speak none of the native languages and have zero per-requisite knowledge to be able to do any fact checking on the matter.

I simply cannot 'check' anything, but i'm pretty sure this would be beyond a scandal if it were to happen.