Ah, ok, I might be wrong then. Bol is like Amazon but Bol got in the online market way way earlier and is a household name and market leader in the Netherlands. One might get lucky if the third party seller is shipping through the EU. In this case it's digibrands.nl. That company is also on Amazon and ebay.
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(Europe) Master Deals Thread on Audio Product Sales
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Are you sure about that. I don't think there is a law that mandates every EU business must ship to everywhere in EU.
As I thought - clarified here: (In particular: "While you are free to define your general terms and conditions of sale, including limitations on delivery,...."
Selling products in the EU and reporting goods movements - Your Europe
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Eh ?
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Sorry if I’ve misunderstood. My understanding is that EU-based customers must be granted the same access to goods as local customers. On that basis, restricting sales to only certain EU countries would not be permitted under EU law.Are you sure about that. I don't think there is a law that mandates every EU business must ship to everywhere in EU.
As I thought - clarified here: (In particular: "While you are free to define your general terms and conditions of sale, including limitations on delivery,...."
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Sorry if I’ve misunderstood. My understanding is that EU-based customers must be granted the same access to goods as local customers. On that basis, restricting sales to only certain EU countries would not be permitted under EU law.
The correct situation is described in the link I gave.
All of a sellers customers must be given the same access to the goods. The seller is still allowed to define where he will deliver to. (IE he can effectively define where his customers are)
That can just be his own country - or his own town if he likes (he is allowed to place restrictions on delivery). But anyone who places an order within those restrictions - then the purchaser must be given the same price and other aspects of the sale as any other customer regardless of where they are.
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Is this really in the spirit of the EU? DHL, for instance, delivers across all EU countries without any problem, even if the costs vary. I’m not experienced in selling, so what would justify restricting delivery of electronics within the EU?
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Local regulations is the first example coming to mind. And it's not a theoretical one. Sorry @VintageFlanker for the OT.
Let's put to one side the fact justification is not needed - we are talking about regulations, and what is allowed. Restriction is allowed.
But there are many reasons it can be justified. Just one very likely one, as an example, smaller companies most likely will not have the capacity to serve the whole EU market. Even their own home country might be too large.
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Sorry - just spotted your post. Shutting up now.Now, please stick to the topic : deals.
In my opinion :
The free movement of goods is a basic rule of the EU.
Except for a derogation from Brussels that links the sale of a product to a service, especially at home, a device must be able to be purchased from any EU country in another EU country. Besides, a French person is not asked for a passport if they buy a hi-fi device in Germany to take it home by car.
The tricky issue of delivery remains: no one can force a company to ship products it sells through a postal or similar delivery service. But as soon as it uses one to deliver within its country or to another EU country, it is required to deliver to all other EU countries...
But we know well that through various ploys, including the so-called mandatory home installation due to the high technicality of the products sold... or even direct pressure on certain retailers, a brand can prevent a distributor, importer, or retail store from delivering outside a zone it has assigned to them.
However, it is well known that through various tactics, including the so-called servicing, and even direct pressure on certain resellers, a brand can prevent a distributor, importer, or retail store from delivering outside a zone it has assigned to them.
No it isn't. See the link I provided above. In any case it would be impossible for many companies - especially smaller ones.
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The end of geo-blocking within the EU
24 March, 2025
You wanted to make a purchase from an Italian website, but once you entered your French address the price doubled? You wanted to buy from a German online shop but they refused to deliver to France? You wanted to make a purchase on a Danish website but it is “reserved for Scandinavians”?
Regulation (EU) 2018/302 put a stop to all unjustified geo-blocking. As a result, you now have access to all goods and services from any country within the EU.
The end of geo-blocking within the EU
With the end of geoblocking, you should be able to order from a professional in Europe as a customer in his own country.www.europe-consommateurs.eu
Can I force a European seller to deliver to me in my country of residence?
No. Having access to products offered by a business based in another EU country than your own does not imply that the trader is obligated to deliver your purchase.
Although you can make purchases on European, businesses are not obligated to deliver your purchase to you in your residence country (e.g. France if it does not usually deliver there). You will have to organise the transport yourself and either go pick up your purchase at an agreed location or organise your own means of cross-border delivery.
Geo-Blocking means, that (www)content is blocked by geo(graphic) location.
Non of which forces anyone to deliver to your location.
Oh yes, if a retailer offers this service to customers located in EU countries other than yours, they are obligated to deliver to your EU country.
Otherwise, it's called "refusal to sell," and this refusal is obviously punishable by law. But what customer would go to court in a country that isn't their own? A seller, terrified by a manufacturer imposing illegal conditions, wouldn't dare go against the manufacturer's wishes... Except that there are ways to circumvent such situations... including using a trusted third party... which can even be a company based in the country that makes the purchase on your behalf.
Another clause is illegal: forcing the buyer to register their warranty on the manufacturer's website, requiring them to provide the name of the store where the item was purchased and sometimes even a copy of the invoice. Some brands prohibit retailers from offering discounts on the selling price exceeding a percentage they themselves set—which, again, is illegal. The hi-fi market operates outside the scope of EU law due to the unlawful practices of certain brands, distributors, and importers.
PS. In a field other than hi-fi, large electrical supply or plumbing companies whose catalogues are very, very full of references change the references according to the country, so that you cannot find your electrical sockets or taps on mail-order sites in the EU country where they are cheaper than in yours... and even much cheaper.
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