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Once again making PMC's roller coaster bass response look good. Good grief.This is his center speaker I tested that is MTM:
Clearly you want to see low frequency response to catch mistakes like this.
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Erin reviews GR-Research NX-Bravo
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All the multi-woofer, open baffle designs he has could have issues like that in low frequencies.
a4eaudio
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Wow!
I can admit when I'm wrong...I was wrong!
PristineSound
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Erin just posted this review on his website (he doesn't update his website regularly). So had a better look and read Erin's subjective impressions.
Overall not bad, but the distortion is terrible. And rather over priced, especially given what those guys are doing at Ascilab (putting the entire industry on notice in my opinion).
Anyway, there is always a possibility that Danny did not design these speakers entirely himself, there's plenty of OEM and consultancies for speaker design.
Better than anything he's ever offered, especially when you take his cryo cables into consideration, but unfortunately being in the business this long with so many product offerings later, a day late and a dollar short.
Overall not bad, but the distortion is terrible. And rather over priced, especially given what those guys are doing at Ascilab (putting the entire industry on notice in my opinion).
Anyway, there is always a possibility that Danny did not design these speakers entirely himself, there's plenty of OEM and consultancies for speaker design.
Better than anything he's ever offered, especially when you take his cryo cables into consideration, but unfortunately being in the business this long with so many product offerings later, a day late and a dollar short.
Nothing on the EAC website that we really did not already get from his youtube. The NX-Bravo might sound pretty good, but the woofer has limited output capability and the tweeter still has its distortion issue.
At $2500, you can compare it to Erin’s recent review of the 3-way Super Linton. The Linton has much better overall performance and a real warranty.
At $2500, you can compare it to Erin’s recent review of the 3-way Super Linton. The Linton has much better overall performance and a real warranty.
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True, but it's much nicer being able to refer to the website rather than scrubbing through a video looking for graphs and where exactly he made this or that remark. Glad to see he hasn't abandoned the website as I was afraid he might have.
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I read through some of this thread, but I never watched the video.
You think Danny is farming out the design work on some of his stuff?
I don't think you know anything about him.
PristineSound
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Just being suspicious, such as his cables that seem awfully similar on what you can buy on AliExpress and the fact that he has a track record that all of his previous products measuring so terrible.You think Danny is farming out the design work on some of his stuff?
I don't think you know anything about him.
Anyway, there will always be faithful defenders.
PristineSound
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Absolutely, my thoughts exactly. Additionally despite that he does send data to spinaroma.org, but some data like distortion and compression aren't on spinaroma.
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No, I don't think so. He's a huckster, not an idiot. He does know how to design a crossover filter... Well, usually. And the cabinet is fine. It matches the t/s parameters of the woofer well enough.Just being suspicious, such as his cables that seem awfully similar on what you can buy on AliExpress and the fact that he has a track record that all of his previous products measuring so terrible.
Anyway, there will always be faithful defenders.
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Often he compromises directivity for flatter direct sound, so I am not so sure there....
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How much of that is tradeoffs when you have drivers too far apart in size and refuse to use waveguides? I think quite a bit.
You can sorta-kinda get around that with the "big dust cap acting like a quasi-mid-dome" thing ATC does on a couple of their 2-ways, but like... Those don't exactly have the greatest off axis behavior either.
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He often makes the directivity worse than possible by using a higher crossover frequency just so that the on-axis driver summation with the limitations of a passive crossover looks nicer. This happens quite often at his crossover modifications.
He mentions directivity quite often with his improvements to speakers, but not distortion. Seems he ignores the latter entirely, as we see with the brave little worrior here (planar!). Ascilab was mentioned before. Why chose GR instead, don't see the point. As with In Ear Monitor headphones, or Fosi, those guys are going to just "do it", (nearly) perfect high fidelity for astounding little money. The myth is over, tech made to work finally, no need for storytelling anymore.
Exactly this, no room for myth, back story or tuned by ‘guru’ designs when a few manufacturers publish the actual verified measurements .
Keith
He's talked about distortion and why he doesn't measure for it in a few of his video's.
You might not like the explanation. But he has mentioned it.
When modifying existing speakers per his current approach, you can't change drivers, driver spacing, baffle shape, etc, etc. So, you're quite limited to what you can achieve.
It's a weird business model, but there is a couple of bucks to be made. That's why he does it.
And of course, the opportunity to tweak people on audio forums.
nothing against Danny, but his speakers mostly don't compete objectively at their price point , i heard one of his speakers at the under $2000 monitor "shoot out" here in the phoenix metro area in 2022 (i think it was the encore model) it wasn't bad , but it had to go up directly against the philharmonic bmr and polk L200 even the speakerlab $500 mini monitor was pretty much as good ( in the same room) ....needless to say it didn't fare great against the bmr...
Would you mind to link to such video, can't find a single one.He's talked about distortion and why he doesn't measure for it in a few of his video's.
You might not like the explanation. But he has mentioned it.
When modifying existing speakers per his current approach, you can't change drivers, driver spacing, baffle shape, etc, etc. So, you're quite limited to what you can achieve.
It's a weird business model, but there is a couple of bucks to be made. That's why he does it.
And of course, the opportunity to tweak people on audio forums.
He's talked about distortion and why he doesn't measure for it in a few of his video's.
You might not like the explanation. But he has mentioned it.
When modifying existing speakers per his current approach, you can't change drivers, driver spacing, baffle shape, etc, etc. So, you're quite limited to what you can achieve.
It's a weird business model, but there is a couple of bucks to be made. That's why he does it.
And of course, the opportunity to tweak people on audio forums.
Close, Danny actually has replaced drivers on occasion but only considers his drivers which severely limits the mod design options.
As have mentioned before, he has a very narrow view of potential solutions. He recently showed a pretty good result on a B&W 805 "upgrade" but likely could have gotten a very comparable result with some equalization. His limited range is either incompetence or selfish behavior. It is not the first time he did not consider eq. Am pretty sure, this is about exploiting the situation for personal gain. If Danny was doing serious redesign, all the options you mention (and more) would be presented. Does not help that he often throws in high margin mods (like tube connectors and NoRez) whether they really help or not.
