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End Game Speaker Quest - The Final Chapter

I gave up on "perfect" a long time ago. I think the best solution is multiple systems. Then you can enjoy the strengths of each one.
I wish you could say the same about marriage :facepalm: .

Have you even listened to these though?

 
I wish you could say the same about marriage :facepalm: .

Have you even listened to these though?

Yep they are amazing
 
Any chance for us to get to see the frequency response sweep of the planar vs coax?
 
I gave up on "perfect" a long time ago. I think the best solution is multiple systems. Then you can enjoy the strengths of each one.
Your system shouldn’t favor certain strengths or make specific music sound "better."

In my experience, you can get close to "perfection" by prioritizing full-range capability and a neutral response. Room correction also plays a major role.
A well-designed system should reproduce all genres equally well.
 
I gave up on "perfect" a long time ago. I think the best solution is multiple systems. Then you can enjoy the strengths of each one.

Me too.

I think some recordings call for the "you are there experience", where a higher reflected-to-direct ratio of sound works best.
And some for the "they are here experience", that favors higher direct-to-reflected.
So there is no single speaker radiation pattern that fits imo, making both experiences sound best.

Even with a neutral full-range system in a well treated room, tonal variations induced in mastering by the circle-of-confusion , will have some tracks sounding bass heavy, some tracks sounding overly bright.
I do think a neutral system is the benchmark and overall preference by far despite those tonal variations,
but I must say it's nice to hear misbehaving tracks sound significantly better sometimes, on other less-than-neutral systems .
Helps me learn/hear, especially how to apply track adjusting EQs. (I think every system should have real time easy to use tone-control available)

I think recordings each have some particular SPL level, that lets them shine.
Some like the quiet subtle beauty that my electrostats can produce. Some are made loud to played loud as Joe Walsh would say, and need a high powered rig, like quality studio or theatre speakers.

And then there's bass, extension and power. Some music, dub, hip-hop, and occasional rock/country for example, needs 'hay-stack' sub capability well beyond what might be regarded as a neutral system.

The real clincher for me, is that every room sounds different too.....put it all together, and well....
......I like enjoying the variety.
As the old saying goes...they all wiggle a little different ;)
 
Your system shouldn’t favor certain strengths or make specific music sound "better."

In my experience, you can get close to "perfection" by prioritizing full-range capability and a neutral response. Room correction also plays a major role.
A well-designed system should reproduce all genres equally well.

My goal was that as many different types of recordings and genres sounded as pleasurable as possible on my system.
I was looking to enjoy music not turn my system into a microscope and do science with my recollection.

I did not stray too far from neutral because neutrality is generally associated with positive aspects in sound quality. I don’t want a speaker colouration that robs me of a nice balance to the sound. But I have just enough colouration that nudges the sound in the direction that I like, and through which I enjoy the widest variety of recordings possible.
 
I am an unabashed fanboy of Sanders 10e electrostatic speakers.

For those of you with a scientific bent, I recommend reading on his site - his White Papers!


I have owned Quad 57s, Levinson HQD, KLH 9s and a plethora of modern Quads… the Sanders 10e is my final system.

Tillman
 
A customer has a pair, it could have been his set-up but with his you had to sit completely still and exactly exactly between the speakers and even then tbh I wasn’t impressed .
Keith
 
Howdy folks … just a quick update on what is happening “behind the scenes” ;) … Given my struggles to make a choice between the coax and planar (I will still post my impressions of the differences later after spending more time swapping and refreshing my “acoustic” memory), Soundfield has come up with a very intriguing design that combines both! Would allow me to have my cake and eat it too. To be clear, would effectively be two speakers systems in one, allowing me to switch on the fly between a coax or planar based speaker. One would fairly ask why not just have two separate speaker systems? Outside of the increased cost which would I am sure easily exceed my budget, I just don’t have the space for two systems in my listening room. So this would be a great solution. Soundfield still mulling over the details of the design, now just some wet ink on back of napkin, and in the end, I may not go this direction, but wanted to throw it out there for y’all to ponder :) … stay tuned …
 
Soundfield has come up with a very intriguing design that combines both! Would allow me to have my cake and eat it too. To be clear, would effectively be two speakers systems in one, allowing me to switch on the fly between a coax or planar based speaker.
Not seeing the napkin sketch, that seems like an odd and expensive compromise. I imagine if you went that route you would eventually find your self listening exclusively to one or the other and switch between them only when curious guests came by.

I suggest more auditioning time to help you decide on one or the other. Relying on memory is far too unreliable.
 
Not seeing the napkin sketch, that seems like an odd and expensive compromise. I imagine if you went that route you would eventually find your self listening exclusively to one or the other and switch between them only when curious guests came by.

I suggest more auditioning time to help you decide on one or the other. Relying on memory is far too unreliable.
There would be no compromise, but understand what you are saying. I had same thought … that ultimately I would in the end only listen to one or the other, effectively one of the solutions then just being a waste. And yes, more auditioning time is needed. Once I post my observations of the differences between drivers I think you will understand my quandary ;)

Thank you for your thoughts, I really do appreciate!
 
Howdy folks … just a quick update on what is happening “behind the scenes” ;) … Given my struggles to make a choice between the coax and planar (I will still post my impressions of the differences later after spending more time swapping and refreshing my “acoustic” memory), Soundfield has come up with a very intriguing design that combines both! Would allow me to have my cake and eat it too. To be clear, would effectively be two speakers systems in one, allowing me to switch on the fly between a coax or planar based speaker. One would fairly ask why not just have two separate speaker systems? Outside of the increased cost which would I am sure easily exceed my budget, I just don’t have the space for two systems in my listening room. So this would be a great solution. Soundfield still mulling over the details of the design, now just some wet ink on back of napkin, and in the end, I may not go this direction, but wanted to throw it out there for y’all to ponder :) … stay tuned …

That’s so awesome to work with a custom designer who is so willing to try and get exactly what you want and solve your problems.

I had a similar wonderful experience with the company that built my customized remote control (because such a thing didn’t seem to exist in the world at that point). They were so eager to ensure I got just a product I wanted, which is how it worked out.
 
That’s so awesome to work with a custom designer who is so willing to try and get exactly what you want and solve your problems.

I had a similar wonderful experience with the company that built my customized remote control (because such a thing didn’t seem to exist in the world at that point). They were so eager to ensure I got just a product I wanted, which is how it worked out.
What problem does this solve though? I get wanting to try out different designs, but if they are so close in capability I would think you might just want to stick with one. Having drivers that aren’t in use just sounds like more things to break down the line.

OP can you do a umik frequency sweep?
 
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What problem does this solve though? I get wanting to try out different designs, but if they are so close in capability I would think you might just want to stick with one. Having drivers that aren’t in use just sounds like more things to break down the line.

OP can you do a umik frequency sweep?
Valid question/comments (though not using drivers doesn’t make them anymore prone to “break down”). When I finally provide my observations, I think my quandary will make more sense.

As to FR measurements, coax is already here on ASR, will find link and post. I will have to measure the planar, may get around to it eventually.
 
I have add multiple speaker setups in the same room. Inevitably preferred listening to one while the others sat idle till Icame to my senses.
Different dsp profiles etc. make more sense
 
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Valid question/comments (though not using drivers doesn’t make them anymore prone to “break down”). When I finally provide my observations, I think my quandary will make more sense.

As to FR measurements, coax is already here on ASR, will find link and post. I will have to measure the planar, may get around to it eventually.
I wasn't saying they are more prone to break down, but there are more parts to break.

You have measurements of the coax in your room on here?If you can find that and link it would be great.
 
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I wasn't saying they are more prone to break down, but there are more parts to break.

You have measurements of the coax in your room on here?If you can find that and link it would be great.
Link below. Not my room, but same coax speaker I have now. In room meaningless below 500Hz anyway. But this at least gives you idea of the FR of the coax design. Ultimately the only thing that matters is the anechoic of the final design, which I won’t have for 2-3 months when the final design is complete.

Post in thread 'The Florida International Audio Expo 2024'
https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...ernational-audio-expo-2024.52122/post-1887684
 
I have add multiple speaker setups in the same room. Inevitably preferred listening to one while the others sat idle till Icame to my senses.
Different dsp profiles etc. make more sense
Understand. What folks are missing or have forgotten is this will be dual purpose theater and music system. Planar better for music, coax better for theater. I get best of both in one system.
 
That’s so awesome to work with a custom designer who is so willing to try and get exactly what you want and solve your problems.

I had a similar wonderful experience with the company that built my customized remote control (because such a thing didn’t seem to exist in the world at that point). They were so eager to ensure I got just a product I wanted, which is how it worked out.
It really is great, not to mention Soundfield has sent me TWO prototype systems, and one with interchangeable driver complements of course. This takes a ton of time that cannot be overlooked. Who else would do that? Add to that the literally 100s (1000s?) of questions and changes of mind Soundfield has dealt with from me. Crazy. I likely would have told a customer like me to go pound sand long ago :p
 
It really is great, not to mention Soundfield has sent me TWO prototype systems, and one with interchangeable driver complements of course. This takes a ton of time that cannot be overlooked. Who else would do that? Add to that the literally 100s (1000s?) of questions and changes of mind Soundfield has dealt with from me. Crazy. I likely would have told a customer like me to go pound sand long ago :p
What drivers are they using?
Who makes them?
 
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