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Will post pics of finished speakers as soon as I have them
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End Game Speaker Quest - The Final Chapter
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Will you be able to switch the tweeters?
Really?
I've been a dealer of built-to-order electrostats for twenty-six years; a manufacturer of home audio speakers for twenty years; and a manufacturer of bass cabs and the occasional custom studio monitors for sixteen years. I cannot recall a single time when a customer asked me for "pictures of assembly".
Not saying it never happens, but ime it is not "common".
And especially with speakers like the ones MKR is getting, wherein the internal construction of the cardioid enclosures is the result of a great deal of research and development on the part of the designer, imo it would be out of place to expect him to require that the manufacturer provide "pictures of assembly" so he can post them on a public forum.
So I can understand your curiosity, but imo that would be asking too much of the manufacturer.
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Not sure what you mean. You are referring to swappable midrange heads? This was only on the demos to enable my decision of planar vs coax. That decision has been made (planar). There was a time I was considering a speaker with both driver types, electronically switchable. But in the end I decided I would most likely spend 95% of my time listening to planar anyway. So the added complexity and cost of a “dual” system just couldn’t be justified. Go back and read through the thread, seems you missed some prior details
Something like big and heavy speakers are different than what companies that focus on "parcels" are used to and also different than what "trucking" companies are used to which is palletised freight. If possible I would have the speakers carefully and strategically packed and shipped on a pallet. If this is done correctly it will reduce the chance of damage greatly and most likely not cost any more than shipping with a parcel company, probably less. The issues are making sure the pallets are packed correctly and the ability to deliver / unload / receive the pallet and the end destination.Thanks Duke! Interesting. Will certainly keep this in mind. Sadly it seems there are few shipping companies left anymore you can trust, regardless of time of year. And no matter how well you pack they find a way to cause damage. UPS and FedEx are especially bad shipping large fragile items and not damaging
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Thanks for raising this topic, a fair comment. I have discussed this at length with Soundfield. From a performance aspect, if the Radian provided a significant (audible) advantage over the GRS, I can assure you Soundfield would be using it. The only thing you get with Radian is a much higher price
Have you compared the performance specs of the GRS vs Radian and come to your own conclusion? What “issues” does DSP fix exactly?
One thing I can say with certainty is I have spent several months now with the GRS and it is superb, I can find no fault. Subjectively speaking, one of the best, if not the best midrange/HF presentations I have ever heard from any driver.
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Fully agree. Soundfield ships their larger speakers via freight, not parcel service
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I do have a pair of the GRS but not the Radian yet. There were some tests done on another website (diyAudio - search New planar drivers at Parts Express) and I think the GRS has a bigger peak up top plus more distortion than the Neo10. Also, the lack of corrugation on the GRS doesn't allow it to go quite as deep. I believe the Radian LM10 was closer in performance to the Neo10 but I think that testing was from another thread.Thanks for raising this topic, a fair comment. I have discussed this at length with Soundfield. From a performance aspect, if the Radian provided a significant (audible) advantage over the GRS, I can assure you Soundfield would be using it. The only thing you get with Radian is a much higher price
Have you compared the performance specs of the GRS vs Radian and come to your own conclusion? What “issues” does DSP fix exactly?
One thing I can say with certainty is I have spent several months now with the GRS and it is superb, I can find no fault. Subjectively speaking, one of the best, if not the best midrange/HF presentations I have ever heard from any driver.
So, I haven't been able to compare myself yet, but I will be once I get a pair of the Radians. As far as the DSP, much easier to tame that peak on the GRS mainly.
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My plan is to build something similar to the Giussani Research Delta 9 below. Besides the GRS 10", I have Eminent Technology LM10 and Monsoon planar drivers to try out. Once I get the Radians, I'll be able to do measurements and listening tests to see which performs better. Currently I have a minidsp 4x10 but have plans for a better DSP once I get the speaker figured out.
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Very cool, best of luck with the build! Passive or active? You should post build progress in the ASR DIY thread
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Well, all active and full range cardioid of course. Plus some additional similarities, but mine are another ball game compared to these. I suppose the CT63PL is closest simply due to the planar midrange. But again mine take things to another level.
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Here’s a previous passive build I did with BG Neo8 and 3. I love the way these sound. They can also take some serious volume. They were designed such that the back wave of the planar could be opened and various treatments could be used to attenuate it or just go fully dipole. Currently they are sealed due to positioning in my upstairs room.
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Indeed these are mine! What you are seeing in the pic is the center channel (left) and one of the mains (right). Not to scale by the way, main is much larger.
Total system cost (mains, center, sides, and coax height channels) $30k. Note the mains, center, and sides are all full range cardioid. Mains also have remote selectable variable directivity (via DSP) … three modes … “narrow” which is similar to coax dispersion, wide (think huge holographic soundstage like Salon 2 or a large dipole planar), and finally a “pseudo” omni (or “concert hall” as Soundfield calls it, similar to something like MBL). These DSP directivity modes are very effective and must be heard to be believed.
As to Sigberg comment … I guess you get that from the side slots on midrange head? This is needed for cardioid dispersion, has nothing to do with the “looks” of Sigberg. Form follows function.
On the Wilson observation, maybe a bit of a physical resemblance, but that is where the similarities end
System expected to ship by end of this week!
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how many coax heights are you getting?
wow 30k is steal for those speakers, considering the kef blade 2 goes for 25k a pair
you are getting full 5 bed layer and atmos custom built speakers with dsp many options for directivity multiple drivers in each speaker,
i wonder what the crossover in the mains look like.
wow 30k is steal for those speakers, considering the kef blade 2 goes for 25k a pair
you are getting full 5 bed layer and atmos custom built speakers with dsp many options for directivity multiple drivers in each speaker,
i wonder what the crossover in the mains look like.
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"System expected to ship by end of this week!"Indeed these are mine! What you are seeing in the pic is the center channel (left) and one of the mains (right). Not to scale by the way, main is much larger.
Total system cost (mains, center, sides, and coax height channels) $30k. Note the mains, center, and sides are all full range cardioid. Mains also have remote selectable variable directivity (via DSP) … three modes … “narrow” which is similar to coax dispersion, wide (think huge holographic soundstage like Salon 2 or a large dipole planar), and finally a “pseudo” omni (or “concert hall” as Soundfield calls it, similar to something like MBL). These DSP directivity modes are very effective and must be heard to be believed.
As to Sigberg comment … I guess you get that from the side slots on midrange head? This is needed for cardioid dispersion, has nothing to do with the “looks” of Sigberg. Form follows function.
On the Wilson observation, maybe a bit of a physical resemblance, but that is where the similarities end
System expected to ship by end of this week!
you miss feel like a 10 year old on xmas eve
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