End Game (For Now) Streamer/DAC/Preamp? Eversolo DMP-A10

[Cool Runnings]

What think? Heavenly sound is the key marketing message for this new product from Eversolo.

Looking at the price tag I'm sticking with my Wiim Ultra.

 

[napfkuchen]

My current streamer is an AppleTV 4K connected to the AVR, remote via iPad. I don't get the concept of such a huge device equipped with a 6" touchscreen when you are sitting several meters away. Also the cooling fins (for a 16 Watt device in a large metal box?!) make it look less sleek than the cheaper models (personal taste). But even if you consider that all products in this category beyond WiiM Pro/Ultra are essentially jewelry there will be people who pay for this and the illusion of better audio quality.

 

[Old_School_Brad]

My current streamer is an AppleTV 4K connected to the AVR, remote via iPad. I don't get the concept of such a huge device equipped with a 6" touchscreen when you are sitting several meters away. Also the cooling fins (for a 16 Watt device in a large metal box?!) make it look less sleek than the cheaper models (personal taste). But even if you consider that all products in this category beyond WiiM Pro/Ultra are essentially jewelry there will be people who pay for this and the illusion of better audio quality.

Agreed. It’s as if the thing’s prancing about like a proud peacock, showing off for the audiophiles. I mean, give it five seconds' thought, and it’s just plain silly, isn't it?

 

[Purité Audio]

It won’t and can’t sound better, it does add a few features which may be useful, whether those features are worth the extra…
Keith

 

[TonyJZX]

It won’t and can’t sound better, it does add a few features which may be useful, whether those features are worth the extra…
Keith

Huffington there is showing his ass there

he's going on about the DMP-A10 sounding 'different' going thru to various high end dacs like a Denifrips Ares...

to me I look at the A10 and I'm seeing some worth for $3k... kinda... it is a nicely appointed black box there

but then I see the $900 A6 and wonder... why do i need to spend more? the A6 already looks like its so close to being perfect

BUT that A10 vol. knob that also doubles as a CLOCK!

 

[Galliardist]

When they show that they have software right on day 1 with all planned features in place, ergonomics to match that invite you to use the product, cast iron reliability from a period producing their regular products with few faults, and maybe a genuine unique selling point or two, I'd consider this as a worthwhile product even at the price being charged.

So, are those things in place, or will they still be writing code and fixing bugs for months and years to come?

I found myself looking at, for example, the Marantz Link 10 at a much higher price with far fewer facilities as a comparison. No, I wouldn't buy that one either, but I bet it will at least do what it says on the tin, on day one, with better real world engineering and support, if you really want bling.

 

[danielha]

Strange that nobody sees the fact that Eversolo takes the path of western audio companies. They have a contained product offer. Their products seems to easily compete with western audio companies. They try to position these products at an understandable western tariff. They even try to design products so that they look like western hi-fi products. The name of the company is in itself a way to hide the chinese origin of the company.

Compare to Aiyima and its unlimited list of not so expensive products. Just look at the amplifiers page for Aiyima. More than 30 products are listed on this page. Add preamps, DACs...

I'd say they want to compete with western audio companies using western audio companies arguments. If you want to say it differently try this : when you buy a Aiyima product, you know you're buying a chinese product (and a rather good product). When you buy eversolo, you don't ask yourself if you buy chinese or not. You're buying an audio product as you would have 30 or 50 years ago.

Now there's the question "Is it a nonsense to pay that much for a chinese hi-fi product ?" (especially for a streamer / dac). Not in my opinion but you are welcome to think differently.

Daniel

 

[Overseas]

End game?
Depends what is your game.
End of budget, for sure

 

[rdytro]

Assuming Bluesound don't completely shit the bed with the Node Icon, what does this much uglier unit have that the Icon doesn't, beside sub connections and an unproven room correction system (vs Dirac Live), at nearly 4 times the price.

 

[VientoB]

I don't like the term "endgame".

 

[kemmler3D]

Now there's the question "Is it a nonsense to pay that much for a chinese hi-fi product ?" (especially for a streamer / dac). Not in my opinion but you are welcome to think differently.

I think the question remains the same whether it's Chinese or not. For historical reasons we expect Chinese stuff to be cheaper than its western equivalents, but at this point, talking about units like this, I couldn't tell you why it should be so, except maybe anticipated inconvenience with customer service. And it's not like you don't hear horror stories about western warranties, either.

So anyway, yeah, the real question is whether it makes sense to spend 4 figures on a DAC / streamer... can't say it does in my view. Nothing in the WiiM lineup cracks 4 figures and aside from the multitude of I/O on this unit I'm not sure why you'd get it.

 

[danielha]

Kemmler,

Have a look AT the newest amplifier from eversolo. AMP-F10. 200 Watts. Class AB.

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Price estimation 3800€.
They are going after the high-end market.

Daniel

 

[Sokel]

They are going after the high-end market.

Not exactly.
Hi-end's traditional low,starting-end is 5k for sources and 10k for amps.
And it's a good thing they are far from that.

 

[TonyJZX]

is there such a hard and fast line in the sand?

also i dont think chinese brands are there yet to be able to pull the wool over peoples eyes to tune of 5k 10k usd

 

[danielha]

Not exactly.
Hi-end's traditional low,starting-end is 5k for sources and 10k for amps.
And it's a good thing they are far from that.

Sokel,

You are right. 3800€ may not be high-end. However it is far from standard prices. So what's your opinion about eversolo rising prices ?

Daniel

 

[danielha]

is there such a hard and fast line in the sand?

also i dont think chinese brands are there yet to be able to pull the wool over peoples eyes to tune of 5k 10k usd

Tony,

I'd say they are trying to take this path. They may well be successful in my opinion.

Daniel

 

[Sokel]

Sokel,

You are right. 3800€ may not be high-end. However it is far from standard prices. So what's your opinion about eversolo rising prices ?

Daniel

As I posted at the other DMP-A10 thread,I like what I see at first.
Seems nicely built (I have my concerns about the longevity of the OLED displays),ticks lots of boxes and it seems faired priced.

However,at this price point what is also important is warranty,support,ease of interaction,everything that gives this premium client feeling,even if it isn't at the hi-end range.

 

[danielha]

Sokel,

You are right. I did not consider this part or the equation. Future will tell us if they are able to take the support / service lane.

Daniel

 

[TonyJZX]

AHHHH but there's one other thing some of you guys didnt seem to point out...

where i am you can sort of buy SMSL Aiyima type stuff locally with local sales tax and warranty but they are all the small dealers... ie. companies you cant trust

What I see from Eversolo and admittedly Wiim is that they have the big distro channels out there and so I can tell you that the Ultra is $329 usd but $599 here (and still subject to discount)

the DMP-A6 is $850 usd???? But like $1,200 here? and so with that it lends legitimacy... since they are sold next to Harmon Sony Panasonic and all the usual establisment

you have local staff in B&M pushing Eversolo... and so you have to dig a little deeper to work of they are a brand of a company called Zidoo...

 

[danielha]

Tony,

You just need to look the about page on eversolo web site to know they are chinese. I wouldn't call this hiding things.

Price policy are often hard to understand. DMP A6 is around 780€ in France.

Where are you living ? Can't you buy smsl Aiyima... from amazon and the like ?

Daniel