Maybe you can send one to amir to measure. That would be a useful piece of data to understand the difference.
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Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 Speaker Review
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I am SO tempted to buy, especially as this would be a huge departure from my giant OB monsters, which my new smaller space can't accommodate sonically and are shall we say uncontrolled in any setting.
But when we say loud, about what might I expect with a judiciously deployed sub or two in a 12x12 space? Could I see clean peaks around 91 or 92 dbspl with proper power or is that unrealistic? Thanks for this site, its members, and Amirm!
OMG, that seems remarkable for such a modestly sized speaker. Thanks so much... for practically compelling me to spend another $1000 (speakers and new amp) on stereo gear!
Btw, is your post referring to the more typical efficiency measure of 1 meter or at a typical seated position in the room dimensions I mentioned (i.e., around 9 feet)? Thanks again for the information.
My only experience is in a nearfield application with the speaker's tweeter around 85cm from the listening position. I don't know how they will perform at 9 feet. Maybe look at Amir's listening impressions as they are more representative of "conventional" hi-fi listening arrangements.
Will do and thanks again.
just listening test
There are literally threads all over this very forum that discuss the electrical theory as well as practical experiments which show your "upgrades" don't actually change the audible sound. You should consider reading them.
You hear a difference because you're biased to hear one. If you used controlled listening these huge differences would disappear. It's also very possible that you chose parts with slightly different measurable values than the ones you've replaced which has affected, to a small degree, the tonality of your speakers. Before and after measurements would have been able to show if this occurred. Neither of these is a good reason to "upgrade".
You hear a difference because you're biased to hear one. If you used controlled listening these huge differences would disappear. It's also very possible that you chose parts with slightly different measurable values than the ones you've replaced which has affected, to a small degree, the tonality of your speakers. Before and after measurements would have been able to show if this occurred. Neither of these is a good reason to "upgrade".
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I disagree with you because I have the Elac with a Nc252mp amp, so I cannot go over 87 db Spl
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Please post them, we'd like to see that.
I love how these review threads of successful speakers always slowly taper off from discussion around the good objective performance of the speaker to eventual subjective performance as the speakers arrive in homes, then to eventual somewhat outrageous modifications where people are ripping them open to swap components for 'magical' gains......
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he already stated in response to my question that his comparison was a "listening" comparison, which I have to assume took place in 2 separate listening sessions that were presumably hours or days apart.
I was just thinking about these modifications.
If changing to these new caps and inductors widened the soundstage, as claimed, then going back to the original caps and inductors would have to narrow the soundstage.
So what we have discovered is a way to control soundstage width - without changing directivity! This is a critically important discovery.
If changing to these new caps and inductors widened the soundstage, as claimed, then going back to the original caps and inductors would have to narrow the soundstage.
So what we have discovered is a way to control soundstage width - without changing directivity! This is a critically important discovery.
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mods. lol... 
Sgt. Ear Ache
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The majority of us are just enjoying these fantastic speakers in their natural state. They are such well-behaved speakers that I barely had to do any EQ on them in my space at all.
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I wouldn't expect upgrading caps, etc, to change anything in the frequency response, as long as all values were kept the same.
But wouldn't upgrading the crossover parts to what's in much higher end speakers still provide extra clarity? I know that better speakers have better drivers and more inert cabinets, but the premium crossover parts must be part of the overall improvement in sound quality.
I personally love the way these speakers sound, but being able to spend a couple hundred more on upgrades to go a level up in clarity would be a nice option.
But wouldn't upgrading the crossover parts to what's in much higher end speakers still provide extra clarity? I know that better speakers have better drivers and more inert cabinets, but the premium crossover parts must be part of the overall improvement in sound quality.
I personally love the way these speakers sound, but being able to spend a couple hundred more on upgrades to go a level up in clarity would be a nice option.
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If it did improve the clarity, then that would almost have to show up in the frequency response, given the distortion is already likely below audible levels.
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