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Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 Speaker Review

chmiller87

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Sorry for deleting my post as I remembered I'm just offering subjective opinions. But yes I am happier now with unifi 2.0.

As I said, with unifi, I realised elac bookshelf speakers sound best toed out or zero toe in.

Unifi 3 way concentric improves imaging and details although tonality isn't as accurate as dbr62.

Compared to dbr62, ub52 vocals and mids seem less forward but somehow sound more natural once u get used to it.

In the beginning, the shelving at 1.5khz would bother some but brain burn in sets in and u get used to it and start to enjoy the extra details balanced across the entire spectrum. I got a really good deal so it was kind of a no brainer as the poor man's kef R3 ;)

Did you happen to run the unifi center with the DBR62s at all? I already have the DBR62 so was really looking to add one as a center as part of a 5.1 for movie watching, but it sounds like the unifi center might be a better addition at least for the primary viewing position straight on.
 
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Has anyone had any luck ordering a single Elac DBR62 for use as a center for a fully matching front 3?
I've tried contacting Elac about it on multiple occasions and cannot get a response from them. At one point they had escalated my issue to their product manager but I never heard back from him.

On that note, if anyone here is looking to split an order of a new pair of DBR-62s in White/Oak let me know.
 
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Triliza

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I am going to post all the "anechoic" EQ I found in this thread, these filters are to be applied before any room integration as I understand it. None of these are mine, they all can be found in this thread, many apologies to the authors for not mentioning them individually, I just copy-pasted them in a text file a while back. If you have any new one, or have compared the ones in the list, please share your opinion.

Code:
EQ for Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 computed from ASR data
Preference Score 5.71 with EQ 6.29
Generated from http://github.com/pierreaubert/spinorama/generate_peqs.py v0.19
Dated: 2023-02-09-10:45:32

Preamp: -3.2 dB

Filter  1: ON PK Fc    34 Hz Gain +3.00 dB Q 1.18
Filter  2: ON PK Fc   177 Hz Gain -2.32 dB Q 1.06
Filter  3: ON PK Fc  1842 Hz Gain +2.97 dB Q 1.74
Filter  4: ON PK Fc   804 Hz Gain -1.59 dB Q 3.00

=========================================================


EQ for Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 computed from ASR data
Preference Score 5.71 with EQ 6.17
Generated from http://github.com/pierreaubert/spinorama/generate_peqs.py v0.19
Dated: 2023-02-08-22:08:56

Preamp: -3.1 dB

Filter  1: ON PK Fc    25 Hz Gain +2.25 dB Q 2.14
Filter  2: ON PK Fc    40 Hz Gain +2.25 dB Q 2.14
Filter  3: ON PK Fc    63 Hz Gain +1.50 dB Q 2.14
Filter  4: ON PK Fc   100 Hz Gain -0.75 dB Q 2.14
Filter  5: ON PK Fc   160 Hz Gain -1.75 dB Q 2.14
Filter  6: ON PK Fc   250 Hz Gain -1.25 dB Q 2.14
Filter  7: ON PK Fc   400 Hz Gain -0.50 dB Q 2.14
Filter  8: ON PK Fc   630 Hz Gain -0.50 dB Q 2.14
Filter  9: ON PK Fc  1000 Hz Gain -0.50 dB Q 2.14
Filter 10: ON PK Fc  1600 Hz Gain +2.25 dB Q 2.14
Filter 11: ON PK Fc  2500 Hz Gain +1.25 dB Q 2.14
Filter 12: ON PK Fc  4000 Hz Gain +0.50 dB Q 2.14
Filter 13: ON PK Fc  6300 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 2.14
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 10000 Hz Gain +0.25 dB Q 2.14
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain +1.75 dB Q 2.14

===========================================================


EQ for Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 computed from ASR data
Preference Score 5.7 with EQ 6.4
Generated from http://github.com/pierreaubert/spinorama/generate_peqs.py v0.18
Dated: 2023-01-01-22:38:52

Preamp: -4.5 dB

Filter  1: ON PK Fc    20 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter  2: ON PK Fc    25 Hz Gain +3.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter  3: ON PK Fc    31 Hz Gain +3.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter  4: ON PK Fc    40 Hz Gain +3.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter  5: ON PK Fc    50 Hz Gain +2.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter  6: ON PK Fc    63 Hz Gain +1.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter  7: ON PK Fc    80 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter  8: ON PK Fc   100 Hz Gain -0.75 dB Q 4.32
Filter  9: ON PK Fc   125 Hz Gain -1.25 dB Q 4.32
Filter 10: ON PK Fc   160 Hz Gain -1.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter 11: ON PK Fc   200 Hz Gain -1.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter 12: ON PK Fc   250 Hz Gain -1.25 dB Q 4.32
Filter 13: ON PK Fc   315 Hz Gain -1.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 14: ON PK Fc   400 Hz Gain -0.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter 15: ON PK Fc   500 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 16: ON PK Fc   630 Hz Gain -0.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter 17: ON PK Fc   800 Hz Gain -1.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 18: ON PK Fc  1000 Hz Gain -0.25 dB Q 4.32
Filter 19: ON PK Fc  1250 Hz Gain +1.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 20: ON PK Fc  1600 Hz Gain +1.75 dB Q 4.32
Filter 21: ON PK Fc  2000 Hz Gain +1.75 dB Q 4.32
Filter 22: ON PK Fc  2500 Hz Gain +1.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 23: ON PK Fc  3150 Hz Gain +0.75 dB Q 4.32
Filter 24: ON PK Fc  4000 Hz Gain +0.25 dB Q 4.32
Filter 25: ON PK Fc  5000 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 26: ON PK Fc  6300 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 27: ON PK Fc  8000 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 28: ON PK Fc 10000 Hz Gain +0.25 dB Q 4.32
Filter 29: ON PK Fc 12000 Hz Gain +0.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter 30: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain +1.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter 31: ON PK Fc 20000 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32

===========================================================


EQ for Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 computed from ASR data
Preference Score 5.8 with EQ 6.2
Generated from http://github.com/pierreaubert/spinorama/generate_peqs.py v0.14
Dated: 2022-03-28-10:29:44

Preamp: -3.3 dB

Filter  1: ON PK Fc   173 Hz Gain -1.30 dB Q 1.69
Filter  2: ON PK Fc  1793 Hz Gain +2.83 dB Q 1.42
Filter  3: ON PK Fc   841 Hz Gain -1.51 dB Q 3.99
Filter  4: ON PK Fc   654 Hz Gain -0.94 dB Q 3.95
Filter  5: ON PK Fc  4695 Hz Gain +0.62 dB Q 0.10
Filter  6: ON PK Fc  4195 Hz Gain -0.64 dB Q 0.56
Filter  7: ON PK Fc  3787 Hz Gain +0.65 dB Q 3.85
Filter  8: ON PK Fc   547 Hz Gain +1.39 dB Q 4.00
Filter  9: ON PK Fc   611 Hz Gain -1.20 dB Q 3.90

===========================================================


EQ for Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 computed from ASR data
Preference Score 5.71 with EQ 6.27
Generated from http://github.com/pierreaubert/spinorama/generate_peqs.py v0.19
Dated: 2023-01-15-08:06:31

Preamp: -3.2 dB

Filter  1: ON PK Fc    35 Hz Gain +2.98 dB Q 1.20
Filter  2: ON PK Fc  1953 Hz Gain +2.14 dB Q 1.44
Filter  3: ON PK Fc   190 Hz Gain -2.21 dB Q 0.77
Filter  4: ON PK Fc   816 Hz Gain -1.59 dB Q 2.98
Filter  5: ON PK Fc 15813 Hz Gain +0.56 dB Q 0.30
Filter  6: ON PK Fc 15903 Hz Gain +0.55 dB Q 0.56
Filter  7: ON PK Fc  1444 Hz Gain +0.56 dB Q 1.61
Filter  8: ON PK Fc  6255 Hz Gain -0.62 dB Q 1.49
Filter  9: ON PK Fc 15990 Hz Gain +0.55 dB Q 0.60

==============================================================================

Post #756

Filter 1: ON PK Fc 345 Hz Gain 0.4 dB Q 12.000
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 429 Hz Gain 0.7 dB Q 12.000
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 493 Hz Gain 0.7 dB Q 17.000
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 575 Hz Gain 2.0 dB Q 10.000
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 624 Hz Gain -2.1 dB Q 10.000
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 790 Hz Gain -1.2 dB Q 9.000
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 902 Hz Gain -1.3 dB Q 5.000
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 1129 Hz Gain 0.7 dB Q 7.000
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 1400 Hz Gain 1.2 dB Q 9.000
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 1698 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 6.000
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 1940 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 20.000
Filter 12: ON PK Fc 2220 Hz Gain 0.9 dB Q 23.000
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 3140 Hz Gain -0.5 dB Q 5.000
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 5000 Hz Gain -1.7 dB Q 2.400
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 6940 Hz Gain -1.8 dB Q 2.800
Filter 16: ON PK Fc 8480 Hz Gain -1.0 dB Q 6.000
Filter 17: ON PK Fc 11000 Hz Gain -2.2 dB Q 1.800
Filter 18: ON PK Fc 13100 Hz Gain -1.2 dB Q 3.000
Filter 19: ON PK Fc 15290 Hz Gain -0.7 dB Q 5.000
Filter 20: ON PK Fc 17530 Hz Gain -1.9 dB Q 2.500

Preamp needs to be set to -2 dB.

=============================================================================


Post #609

Filter 1: ON PK Fc 157.49 Hz Gain 0.00 dB Q 2.0
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 346 Hz Gain 0.00 dB Q 3.0
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 500 Hz Gain 0.00 dB Q 3.0
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 569 Hz Gain 1.42 dB Q 7.0
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 617 Hz Gain 0.00 dB Q 3.0
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 626 Hz Gain -1.71 dB Q 7.0
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 810 Hz Gain -1.99 dB Q 3.0
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 964 Hz Gain -0.95 dB Q 4.0
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 1671 Hz Gain 1.04 dB Q 2.0
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 1952 Hz Gain 0.51 dB Q 5.0
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 3680 Hz Gain -0.74 dB Q 3.0
Filter 12: ON PK Fc 3830 Hz Gain 1.41 dB Q 4.0
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 4700 Hz Gain 0.23 dB Q 2.0
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 5200 Hz Gain -1.40 dB Q 2.0
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 11740 Hz Gain -1.04 dB Q 2.0
Filter 16: ON PK Fc 13600 Hz Gain 0.00 dB Q 5.0
Filter 17: ON PK Fc 18500 Hz Gain 0.97 dB Q 3.0

Filter requires 1.15dB of attenuation.

==============================================================================


Post #1036

Elac DBR62 APO EQ 96000Hz
December022020-121023

Preamp: -1.3 dB

Filter 1: ON HPQ Fc 31.6 Hz Gain 0 dB Q 0.85
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 169.5 Hz Gain -2.33 dB Q 0.67
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 573 Hz Gain 0.81 dB Q 3
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 630 Hz Gain -2.2 dB Q 11.4
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 843 Hz Gain -2.69 dB Q 2.55
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1769 Hz Gain 1.51 dB Q 2.22
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 5813 Hz Gain -0.67 dB Q 1.11

================================================================================


Post #1279

Filter 1: ON PK Fc 343 Hz Gain 0.5 dB Q 15.000
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 420 Hz Gain 0.6 dB Q 9.000
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 491 Hz Gain 0.9 dB Q 12.000
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 573 Hz Gain 2.1 dB Q 10.000
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 623 Hz Gain -1.8 dB Q 12.000
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 708 Hz Gain 0.5 dB Q 9.000
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 798 Hz Gain -0.9 dB Q 8.500
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 915 Hz Gain -0.9 dB Q 4.000
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 1110 Hz Gain 1.4 dB Q 7.000
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 1400 Hz Gain 1.8 dB Q 5.500
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 1700 Hz Gain 2.2 dB Q 5.500
Filter 12: ON PK Fc 1950 Hz Gain 2.1 dB Q 15.000
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 2215 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 16.000
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 2700 Hz Gain 0.9 dB Q 3.500
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 3800 Hz Gain 0.8 dB Q 6.000
Filter 16: ON PK Fc 6050 Hz Gain 0.3 dB Q 7.000
Filter 17: ON PK Fc 7200 Hz Gain -0.8 dB Q 1.100
Filter 18: ON PK Fc 9700 Hz Gain 0.6 dB Q 6.500
Filter 19: ON PK Fc 11500 Hz Gain -0.6 dB Q 2.100
Filter 20: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain 0.9 dB Q 2.500

Preamp: -3.2 dB

=======================================================================================
 

Phidel

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I am going to post all the "anechoic" EQ I found in this thread, these filters are to be applied before any room integration as I understand it. None of these are mine, they all can be found in this thread, many apologies to the authors for not mentioning them individually, I just copy-pasted them in a text file a while back. If you have any new one, or have compared the ones in the list, please share your opinion.

Code:
EQ for Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 computed from ASR data
Preference Score 5.71 with EQ 6.29
Generated from http://github.com/pierreaubert/spinorama/generate_peqs.py v0.19
Dated: 2023-02-09-10:45:32

Preamp: -3.2 dB

Filter  1: ON PK Fc    34 Hz Gain +3.00 dB Q 1.18
Filter  2: ON PK Fc   177 Hz Gain -2.32 dB Q 1.06
Filter  3: ON PK Fc  1842 Hz Gain +2.97 dB Q 1.74
Filter  4: ON PK Fc   804 Hz Gain -1.59 dB Q 3.00

=========================================================


EQ for Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 computed from ASR data
Preference Score 5.71 with EQ 6.17
Generated from http://github.com/pierreaubert/spinorama/generate_peqs.py v0.19
Dated: 2023-02-08-22:08:56

Preamp: -3.1 dB

Filter  1: ON PK Fc    25 Hz Gain +2.25 dB Q 2.14
Filter  2: ON PK Fc    40 Hz Gain +2.25 dB Q 2.14
Filter  3: ON PK Fc    63 Hz Gain +1.50 dB Q 2.14
Filter  4: ON PK Fc   100 Hz Gain -0.75 dB Q 2.14
Filter  5: ON PK Fc   160 Hz Gain -1.75 dB Q 2.14
Filter  6: ON PK Fc   250 Hz Gain -1.25 dB Q 2.14
Filter  7: ON PK Fc   400 Hz Gain -0.50 dB Q 2.14
Filter  8: ON PK Fc   630 Hz Gain -0.50 dB Q 2.14
Filter  9: ON PK Fc  1000 Hz Gain -0.50 dB Q 2.14
Filter 10: ON PK Fc  1600 Hz Gain +2.25 dB Q 2.14
Filter 11: ON PK Fc  2500 Hz Gain +1.25 dB Q 2.14
Filter 12: ON PK Fc  4000 Hz Gain +0.50 dB Q 2.14
Filter 13: ON PK Fc  6300 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 2.14
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 10000 Hz Gain +0.25 dB Q 2.14
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain +1.75 dB Q 2.14

===========================================================


EQ for Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 computed from ASR data
Preference Score 5.7 with EQ 6.4
Generated from http://github.com/pierreaubert/spinorama/generate_peqs.py v0.18
Dated: 2023-01-01-22:38:52

Preamp: -4.5 dB

Filter  1: ON PK Fc    20 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter  2: ON PK Fc    25 Hz Gain +3.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter  3: ON PK Fc    31 Hz Gain +3.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter  4: ON PK Fc    40 Hz Gain +3.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter  5: ON PK Fc    50 Hz Gain +2.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter  6: ON PK Fc    63 Hz Gain +1.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter  7: ON PK Fc    80 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter  8: ON PK Fc   100 Hz Gain -0.75 dB Q 4.32
Filter  9: ON PK Fc   125 Hz Gain -1.25 dB Q 4.32
Filter 10: ON PK Fc   160 Hz Gain -1.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter 11: ON PK Fc   200 Hz Gain -1.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter 12: ON PK Fc   250 Hz Gain -1.25 dB Q 4.32
Filter 13: ON PK Fc   315 Hz Gain -1.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 14: ON PK Fc   400 Hz Gain -0.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter 15: ON PK Fc   500 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 16: ON PK Fc   630 Hz Gain -0.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter 17: ON PK Fc   800 Hz Gain -1.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 18: ON PK Fc  1000 Hz Gain -0.25 dB Q 4.32
Filter 19: ON PK Fc  1250 Hz Gain +1.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 20: ON PK Fc  1600 Hz Gain +1.75 dB Q 4.32
Filter 21: ON PK Fc  2000 Hz Gain +1.75 dB Q 4.32
Filter 22: ON PK Fc  2500 Hz Gain +1.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 23: ON PK Fc  3150 Hz Gain +0.75 dB Q 4.32
Filter 24: ON PK Fc  4000 Hz Gain +0.25 dB Q 4.32
Filter 25: ON PK Fc  5000 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 26: ON PK Fc  6300 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 27: ON PK Fc  8000 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32
Filter 28: ON PK Fc 10000 Hz Gain +0.25 dB Q 4.32
Filter 29: ON PK Fc 12000 Hz Gain +0.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter 30: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain +1.50 dB Q 4.32
Filter 31: ON PK Fc 20000 Hz Gain +0.00 dB Q 4.32

===========================================================


EQ for Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 computed from ASR data
Preference Score 5.8 with EQ 6.2
Generated from http://github.com/pierreaubert/spinorama/generate_peqs.py v0.14
Dated: 2022-03-28-10:29:44

Preamp: -3.3 dB

Filter  1: ON PK Fc   173 Hz Gain -1.30 dB Q 1.69
Filter  2: ON PK Fc  1793 Hz Gain +2.83 dB Q 1.42
Filter  3: ON PK Fc   841 Hz Gain -1.51 dB Q 3.99
Filter  4: ON PK Fc   654 Hz Gain -0.94 dB Q 3.95
Filter  5: ON PK Fc  4695 Hz Gain +0.62 dB Q 0.10
Filter  6: ON PK Fc  4195 Hz Gain -0.64 dB Q 0.56
Filter  7: ON PK Fc  3787 Hz Gain +0.65 dB Q 3.85
Filter  8: ON PK Fc   547 Hz Gain +1.39 dB Q 4.00
Filter  9: ON PK Fc   611 Hz Gain -1.20 dB Q 3.90

===========================================================


EQ for Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 computed from ASR data
Preference Score 5.71 with EQ 6.27
Generated from http://github.com/pierreaubert/spinorama/generate_peqs.py v0.19
Dated: 2023-01-15-08:06:31

Preamp: -3.2 dB

Filter  1: ON PK Fc    35 Hz Gain +2.98 dB Q 1.20
Filter  2: ON PK Fc  1953 Hz Gain +2.14 dB Q 1.44
Filter  3: ON PK Fc   190 Hz Gain -2.21 dB Q 0.77
Filter  4: ON PK Fc   816 Hz Gain -1.59 dB Q 2.98
Filter  5: ON PK Fc 15813 Hz Gain +0.56 dB Q 0.30
Filter  6: ON PK Fc 15903 Hz Gain +0.55 dB Q 0.56
Filter  7: ON PK Fc  1444 Hz Gain +0.56 dB Q 1.61
Filter  8: ON PK Fc  6255 Hz Gain -0.62 dB Q 1.49
Filter  9: ON PK Fc 15990 Hz Gain +0.55 dB Q 0.60

==============================================================================

Post #756

Filter 1: ON PK Fc 345 Hz Gain 0.4 dB Q 12.000
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 429 Hz Gain 0.7 dB Q 12.000
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 493 Hz Gain 0.7 dB Q 17.000
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 575 Hz Gain 2.0 dB Q 10.000
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 624 Hz Gain -2.1 dB Q 10.000
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 790 Hz Gain -1.2 dB Q 9.000
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 902 Hz Gain -1.3 dB Q 5.000
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 1129 Hz Gain 0.7 dB Q 7.000
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 1400 Hz Gain 1.2 dB Q 9.000
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 1698 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 6.000
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 1940 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 20.000
Filter 12: ON PK Fc 2220 Hz Gain 0.9 dB Q 23.000
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 3140 Hz Gain -0.5 dB Q 5.000
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 5000 Hz Gain -1.7 dB Q 2.400
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 6940 Hz Gain -1.8 dB Q 2.800
Filter 16: ON PK Fc 8480 Hz Gain -1.0 dB Q 6.000
Filter 17: ON PK Fc 11000 Hz Gain -2.2 dB Q 1.800
Filter 18: ON PK Fc 13100 Hz Gain -1.2 dB Q 3.000
Filter 19: ON PK Fc 15290 Hz Gain -0.7 dB Q 5.000
Filter 20: ON PK Fc 17530 Hz Gain -1.9 dB Q 2.500

Preamp needs to be set to -2 dB.

=============================================================================


Post #609

Filter 1: ON PK Fc 157.49 Hz Gain 0.00 dB Q 2.0
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 346 Hz Gain 0.00 dB Q 3.0
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 500 Hz Gain 0.00 dB Q 3.0
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 569 Hz Gain 1.42 dB Q 7.0
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 617 Hz Gain 0.00 dB Q 3.0
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 626 Hz Gain -1.71 dB Q 7.0
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 810 Hz Gain -1.99 dB Q 3.0
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 964 Hz Gain -0.95 dB Q 4.0
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 1671 Hz Gain 1.04 dB Q 2.0
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 1952 Hz Gain 0.51 dB Q 5.0
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 3680 Hz Gain -0.74 dB Q 3.0
Filter 12: ON PK Fc 3830 Hz Gain 1.41 dB Q 4.0
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 4700 Hz Gain 0.23 dB Q 2.0
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 5200 Hz Gain -1.40 dB Q 2.0
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 11740 Hz Gain -1.04 dB Q 2.0
Filter 16: ON PK Fc 13600 Hz Gain 0.00 dB Q 5.0
Filter 17: ON PK Fc 18500 Hz Gain 0.97 dB Q 3.0

Filter requires 1.15dB of attenuation.

==============================================================================


Post #1036

Elac DBR62 APO EQ 96000Hz
December022020-121023

Preamp: -1.3 dB

Filter 1: ON HPQ Fc 31.6 Hz Gain 0 dB Q 0.85
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 169.5 Hz Gain -2.33 dB Q 0.67
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 573 Hz Gain 0.81 dB Q 3
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 630 Hz Gain -2.2 dB Q 11.4
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 843 Hz Gain -2.69 dB Q 2.55
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1769 Hz Gain 1.51 dB Q 2.22
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 5813 Hz Gain -0.67 dB Q 1.11

================================================================================


Post #1279

Filter 1: ON PK Fc 343 Hz Gain 0.5 dB Q 15.000
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 420 Hz Gain 0.6 dB Q 9.000
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 491 Hz Gain 0.9 dB Q 12.000
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 573 Hz Gain 2.1 dB Q 10.000
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 623 Hz Gain -1.8 dB Q 12.000
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 708 Hz Gain 0.5 dB Q 9.000
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 798 Hz Gain -0.9 dB Q 8.500
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 915 Hz Gain -0.9 dB Q 4.000
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 1110 Hz Gain 1.4 dB Q 7.000
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 1400 Hz Gain 1.8 dB Q 5.500
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 1700 Hz Gain 2.2 dB Q 5.500
Filter 12: ON PK Fc 1950 Hz Gain 2.1 dB Q 15.000
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 2215 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 16.000
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 2700 Hz Gain 0.9 dB Q 3.500
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 3800 Hz Gain 0.8 dB Q 6.000
Filter 16: ON PK Fc 6050 Hz Gain 0.3 dB Q 7.000
Filter 17: ON PK Fc 7200 Hz Gain -0.8 dB Q 1.100
Filter 18: ON PK Fc 9700 Hz Gain 0.6 dB Q 6.500
Filter 19: ON PK Fc 11500 Hz Gain -0.6 dB Q 2.100
Filter 20: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain 0.9 dB Q 2.500

Preamp: -3.2 dB

=======================================================================================

And what is the best to set?
 

Beershaun

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Like Amir says in the review, it's mainly personal preference which will be best outside of correct for your listening room. So I'd suggest a/b testing for yourself the different options and see what you like best. For hygiene sake, outside of room correction, I bring down the slight bump up at ~625hz and the bump up between 750-1000hz and that's about it. The main benefit will come from room correction.
 

Triliza

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And what is the best to set?
I don't have a clue to be honest. I have only tried two of them, but can't be sure which I prefer as no comparison was done by switching between them. If I find some time and do some kind of comparison I'll post my opinion here. My critical listening skills are not that great to begin with, so if someone else has tried them out, please share.
 

kolestonin

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I added a 2nd sub to my Elac's last Friday.
I did not do any placement tests(will check every possible combination/placement in my room).
I did not make any measurements(will not do, as I can't).

So as my observations will be subjective and generic, I will only say that this the 2nd bigger sound improvement I experienced since I started taking this hobby more seriously.
The bigger one was the addition of my first sub(with my previous speakers).

There is something I would like to share with you though as it quite surprised me.

I own these speakers till last November.
I listen to them from 08:00 - 00:00 daily.
These are extremely comfortable speakers, in the sense that I have a feeling that I could listen to them for 4 consecutive lives without even the minimum suspicion of ear fatigue.
On my previous comments I also stated that if I would need to complain about something, this would be the recessed highs which sometimes are giving me an impression of lacking energy/dynamics and can make the speakers sound even a bit boring with some recordings.
Guess what?
During the weekend I caught myself needing to turn down the volume as I was clearly feeling ear fatigue.
The speaker did not give me only fatigue though.
But also this energy and excitement I was missing.
Not sure if this is something that is expected, can be explained or makes sense to someone who is not a noob like me.

It is also worth mentioning that when I had the single sub, gain was set to 21db.
So that's how I started with the 2nd sub as well.
On Sunday evening(after 48h with the new sub) I changed gain from 21db to 22db.
And I have the impression that this made a big improvement eliminating this fatigue sensation, 'cleaning' the base, giving more 'air' to the mid's and removing this kind of harshness(yes harshness!) from highs on some songs.
It seems way exaggerated to me that a drop of 1 db gain caused all that.
Even if the difference it is not so impressive as one might think by reading my previous sentence.
It can also be the effect of me getting used to the new sound.
But it is clearly better and I still have to feel this fatigue sensation since the change.

I am not looking for any specific advise as I am super happy(if not excited!) with my new addition, and I also still need to do all my testing with moving the subs around the room.
I just wanted to share my experience with other owners of the speakers who have or think on adding a 2nd sub.
Comments(and advises) are more than welcome of course.
We are addicted to fun and learn after all:)

ps1: low pass filter is set to 60Hz on both subs

ps2: the new sub is the one on the side of left speaker. I placed my first sub using the crawling method, and I remember this was the 2nd best place. That's why it was my best bet for initial placement.
 

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I added a 2nd sub to my Elac's last Friday.
I did not do any placement tests(will check every possible combination/placement in my room).
I did not make any measurements(will not do, as I can't).

So as my observations will be subjective and generic, I will only say that this the 2nd bigger sound improvement I experienced since I started taking this hobby more seriously.
The bigger one was the addition of my first sub(with my previous speakers).

There is something I would like to share with you though as it quite surprised me.

I own these speakers till last November.
I listen to them from 08:00 - 00:00 daily.
These are extremely comfortable speakers, in the sense that I have a feeling that I could listen to them for 4 consecutive lives without even the minimum suspicion of ear fatigue.
On my previous comments I also stated that if I would need to complain about something, this would be the recessed highs which sometimes are giving me an impression of lacking energy/dynamics and can make the speakers sound even a bit boring with some recordings.
Guess what?
During the weekend I caught myself needing to turn down the volume as I was clearly feeling ear fatigue.
The speaker did not give me only fatigue though.
But also this energy and excitement I was missing.
Not sure if this is something that is expected, can be explained or makes sense to someone who is not a noob like me.

It is also worth mentioning that when I had the single sub, gain was set to 21db.
So that's how I started with the 2nd sub as well.
On Sunday evening(after 48h with the new sub) I changed gain from 21db to 22db.
And I have the impression that this made a big improvement eliminating this fatigue sensation, 'cleaning' the base, giving more 'air' to the mid's and removing this kind of harshness(yes harshness!) from highs on some songs.
It seems way exaggerated to me that a drop of 1 db gain caused all that.
Even if the difference it is not so impressive as one might think by reading my previous sentence.
But it is clearly better and I still have to feel this fatigue sensation since the change.

I am not looking for any specific advise as I am super happy(if not excited!) with my new addition, and I also still need to do all my testing with moving the subs around the room.
I just wanted to share my experience with other owners of the speakers who have or think on adding a 2nd sub.
Comments(and advises) are more than welcome of course.
We are addicted to fun and learn after all:)

ps1: low pass filter is set to 60Hz on both subs

ps2: the new sub is the one on the side of left speaker. I placed my first sub using the crawling method, and I remember this was the 2nd best place. That's why it was my best bet for initial placement.
Great to hear! Curious to know what subs you are using?
 

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During the weekend I caught myself needing to turn down the volume as I was clearly feeling ear fatigue.
The speaker did not give me only fatigue though.
But also this energy and excitement I was missing.
Not sure if this is something that is expected, can be explained or makes sense to someone who is not a noob like me.

It is also worth mentioning that when I had the single sub, gain was set to 21db.
So that's how I started with the 2nd sub as well.
On Sunday evening(after 48h with the new sub) I changed gain from 21db to 22db.
And I have the impression that this made a big improvement eliminating this fatigue sensation, 'cleaning' the base, giving more 'air' to the mid's and removing this kind of harshness(yes harshness!) from highs on some songs.
A very minor note, but hearing damage can result from very low frequencies played very loudly and not just high frequencies as most people expect. It's possible that in your enthusiasm for the new setup that you might have hit the volume/time threshold for high volume low frequency playback. Of course that doesn't explain why changing the sub gain would reduce the fatigue since presumably you were still setting the bass volume at the same effectively level and only effectively reducing the volume of the higher frequencies.
 

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I added a 2nd sub to my Elac's last Friday.
I did not do any placement tests(will check every possible combination/placement in my room).
I did not make any measurements(will not do, as I can't).

So as my observations will be subjective and generic, I will only say that this the 2nd bigger sound improvement I experienced since I started taking this hobby more seriously.
The bigger one was the addition of my first sub(with my previous speakers).

There is something I would like to share with you though as it quite surprised me.

I own these speakers till last November.
I listen to them from 08:00 - 00:00 daily.
These are extremely comfortable speakers, in the sense that I have a feeling that I could listen to them for 4 consecutive lives without even the minimum suspicion of ear fatigue.
On my previous comments I also stated that if I would need to complain about something, this would be the recessed highs which sometimes are giving me an impression of lacking energy/dynamics and can make the speakers sound even a bit boring with some recordings.
Guess what?
During the weekend I caught myself needing to turn down the volume as I was clearly feeling ear fatigue.
The speaker did not give me only fatigue though.
But also this energy and excitement I was missing.
Not sure if this is something that is expected, can be explained or makes sense to someone who is not a noob like me.

It is also worth mentioning that when I had the single sub, gain was set to 21db.
So that's how I started with the 2nd sub as well.
On Sunday evening(after 48h with the new sub) I changed gain from 21db to 22db.
And I have the impression that this made a big improvement eliminating this fatigue sensation, 'cleaning' the base, giving more 'air' to the mid's and removing this kind of harshness(yes harshness!) from highs on some songs.
It seems way exaggerated to me that a drop of 1 db gain caused all that.
Even if the difference it is not so impressive as one might think by reading my previous sentence.
It can also be the effect of me getting used to the new sound.
But it is clearly better and I still have to feel this fatigue sensation since the change.

I am not looking for any specific advise as I am super happy(if not excited!) with my new addition, and I also still need to do all my testing with moving the subs around the room.
I just wanted to share my experience with other owners of the speakers who have or think on adding a 2nd sub.
Comments(and advises) are more than welcome of course.
We are addicted to fun and learn after all:)

ps1: low pass filter is set to 60Hz on both subs

ps2: the new sub is the one on the side of left speaker. I placed my first sub using the crawling method, and I remember this was the 2nd best place. That's why it was my best bet for initial placement.
I also have a smallish room like yours but mine is rectangular and longer on the left side. I too found speakers sound best with crossover or low pass filter set to 60hz. I guess the usual recommendation of 80hz crossover is more for normal or bigger sized rooms? For my dual subs, i have a svs pb2000 pro in front between left and center speaker, and an older pb1000 firing forwards beside the sofa, both subs in sort of midwall positioning. Probably overkill as audyssey sets my subwoofer levels at -12db always.
 
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I too found speakers sound best with crossover or low pass filter set to 60hz. I guess the usual recommendation of 80hz crossover is more for normal or bigger sized rooms?
The general recommendation is indeed 80Hz.
SVS subwoofer matching tool suggest 60Hz with a 24db slope when using a pre-amp(as I do) though.
And this combination is giving me the best result.
 

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You might need to lower your gain/volume setting on your subwoofers. That -12 dB is probably the maximum gain change that your AVR can make. The real/correct setting for even response could be even bigger gain drop.
I followed audyssey xt32 calibration process and level matched the subwoofers to 75db. Maybe next time I use audyssey i can try setting a lower level for both subwoofers. Could be my listening position is too near the rear wall.
 

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The general recommendation is indeed 80Hz.
SVS subwoofer matching tool suggest 60Hz with a 24db slope when using a pre-amp(as I do) though.
And this combination is giving me the best result.
Put a low/high pass filter to 100 Hz 12/24 dB octave slopes. Turn the mains down 4~6 dB afterwards and adjust subwoofer's volume to match them. Of course that is if you can implement high pass to start with. Point is to remove resonance and improve THD of DBR62's (see waterfall plots from review) and also increase/maximise their output volume. It will also improve: time domain, early-to-late arriving sound energy arrival timings (ISO 3382-1 C50) and lower fatigue. PEQ the response especially up to 500 Hz if you can.
 
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One subwoofer -> 80 Hz
Two subwoofer: try up to 200 Hz

ELAC DBR-62, try > 150 Hz
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Only if he decuples sub's and put them next to speakers as left and right chanel I would try to go above 100 Hz which is already higher than what's the no separation point for bass in reproduction with speakers (80 Hz).
100 Hz decoupling (mains/sub's) will already do plenty including for 600 Hz cabinets resonance and sub's are close enclosure one's luckily.
 
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@guddu that's pretty much standard price this day's. They can be found for 360€ in EU this day's.
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It's a low stock currently tho (5 pairs).
 
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@guddu that's pretty much standard price this day's. They can be found for 360€ in EU this day's.
wow... I did not realize.
I was just looking for bookshelf speakers and thought of giving these a try. Hope they are worth the bill.
 
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