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E1DA Cosmos ADC

I remeasured Cosmos APU+Cosmos ADC+RIAA max accurate, AC line hum virtually zero.
"MM" mode 5mV 10ohm source APU gain 34db Cosmos ADC 1.7V sensitivity, THD+N -89db or -97.7db(A). Due to H2 and H3 being very low, SNR is also 97db(A).
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"MC" mode 250uV 10ohm source APU gain 60db Cosmos ADC 1.7V sensitivity, THD+N -66db or -78db(A). Due to H2 and H3 being lower than the noise floor, SNR is also 78db(A).
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I remeasured Cosmos APU+Cosmos ADC+RIAA max accurate, AC line hum virtually zero.
"MM" mode 5mV 10ohm source APU gain 34db Cosmos ADC 1.7V sensitivity, THD+N -89db or -97.7db(A). Due to H2 and H3 being very low, SNR is also 97db(A).
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"MC" mode 250uV 10ohm source APU gain 60db Cosmos ADC 1.7V sensitivity, THD+N -66db or -78db(A). Due to H2 and H3 being lower than the noise floor, SNR is also 78db(A).
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Excellent! I’m looking forward to replacing my old preamp!
 
Excellent! I’m looking forward to replacing my old preamp!
Huh, did you notice that Cosmos APU+Cosmos ADC+digital_RIAA combo outperforms even pretty complex DIY preamp like that?
H2 20db(10 times..) lower, H3 for 8db, Noise 8db as well. A DSP RIAA EQ accuracy should be more consistent and stable too.
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Rja4000, it is a long story, if you didn't hear about my future project Cosmos DAC pls read here https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/low-distortion-audio-range-oscillator.205304/page-490
Can you please put together a digest for the unwashed masses? I (an admitted skeptical) cannot find anything coherent in that thread, other than about the oscillator (which is, in itself, a heroical effort somewhere around -140dB.

How you got to -150dB which a) is about 20dB under the self advertised ESS THD @1kHz (see the application note regarding THD correction) b) includes analog stages with op amps specified at -140dB in ideal best conditions (unity gain, unloaded, etc…) c) includes metal film resistors distortions; not even the metal foil resistors are guaranteed in that range, and your board doesn’t use them, anyway d) includes the measurements uncertainties from the EM radiation around (last time I’ve checked you were not located in the middle of the Mato Grosso jungle). Even in differential mode, the CMMR of any implementation is, in the best case, defined by the resistors precision, and then you would need 0.0001% matching.

Side note, I see your board has 10 cents electrolytic capacitors in the signal path. As much as I respect the distortion performance of aluminum electrolytic capacitors in audio, expecting such devices to have a voltage coefficient practically zero, in particular when driven at 10V, is simply not realistic.

-130dB, yes, that’s possible, I get it with my own ES9822PRO implementation, after a painful tuning, which is valid strictly @1kHz and 10V input. I could imagine a lookup table in the controller, and an interpolation routine, to extend the calibration, but for production purposes that would be a PITA (read: expensive) to implement. Otherwise, anything outside the calibration frequency and level brings the ES9822PRO in the familiar -120… -125dB range, which is still a very respectable performance.

So I must ask the logical questions about your claimed -150dB performance: a) what are you smoking? and b) can I have some? Or should I assume you are in advertising mode looking to promote your sales?

P.S.1. I just noticed PMAs loop measurements. Yep, that makes a lot of sense.

P.S.2. here’s the Vishay bulk metal foil resistor spec and a brief discussion, straight from the horse’s mouth: http://www.vishaypg.com/docs/49788/10reasns.pdf Bottom line 0.1ppm/V voltage coefficient, which is -120dB at 10V excursion. Probably better in practice, but some rather simple algebra for an inverting amplifier will show -150dB at the output is, ahem, in the realm of bull chips. Now consider the best metal film resistors are at least 10dB worse… and the bulk foil thingies are $100 a pop.
 
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remember, Cosmos ADC calibrated at -.5dbfs, hence, a good idea to keep the measured signal at that level or close. -10.43dbfs isn't optimal.
I want it for level sweep and frequency sweep measurements, not for a single point spectrum. So, level behaviour is important, to me. And, in a mono mode with 1 channel driven, the ceiling is -6dBFS.
 
I want it for level sweep and frequency sweep measurements, not for a single point spectrum. So, level behaviour is important, to me.
There is no way to optimize static polynomial compensation (which is what the ESS compensation does) for multiple levels and multiple frequencies. On the other hand the polynomial compensation is quite robust by itself with regard to frequencies (and partly to levels too) - see my analysis at https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...ion-for-measurement-setup.328871/post-6527152 and a few next posts.

You can pre-calibrate distortion of every needed level and frequency, use stepped measurement (not swept one), and apply corresponding anti-distortions at each step. Of course it requires SW processing behind the ADC. That way you can measure at max precision at every frequency and level step. An automated method would run for a while, but being automated it does not require your attention. A suitable device integrated with REW is going forward, slowly but coming.
 
There is no way to optimize static polynomial compensation (which is what the ESS compensation does) for multiple levels and multiple frequencies. On the other hand the polynomial compensation is quite robust by itself with regard to frequencies (and partly to levels too) - see my analysis at https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...ion-for-measurement-setup.328871/post-6527152 and a few next posts.

You can pre-calibrate distortion of every needed level and frequency, use stepped measurement (not swept one), and apply corresponding anti-distortions at each step. Of course it requires SW processing behind the ADC. That way you can measure at max precision at every frequency and level step. An automated method would run for a while, but being automated it does not require your attention. A suitable device integrated with REW is going forward, slowly but coming.
I have to state that the parameters of E1DA Cosmos ADC “as is” are good enough to me, to test the power amplifiers. That’s how I will use it and I do not think I will sink into sophisticated calibration methods.
 
I have to state that the parameters of E1DA Cosmos ADC “as is” are good enough to me, to test the power amplifiers. That’s how I will use it and I do not think I will sink into sophisticated calibration methods.
yeah, practically, AP SYS2722 has worse THD+N resolution vs Cosmos ADC grade-B but @phofman talking about how it could be even better if a special software would take control on the dynamic THD compensation.
 
yeah, practically, AP SYS2722 has worse THD+N resolution vs Cosmos ADC grade-B but @phofman talking about how it could be even better if a special software would take control on the dynamic THD compensation.
Yeah I know, for me it is a tool (excellent tool) and for you and @phofman (small world, we know each other from our local forum) it is a goal ;).
 
Huh, did you notice that Cosmos APU+Cosmos ADC+digital_RIAA combo outperforms even pretty complex DIY preamp like that?
I did, yes. That’s why I’m looking forward to replacing my preamp with 2x APUs. Digital RMAA makes a lot more sense to me
 
I did, yes. That’s why I’m looking forward to replacing my preamp with 2x APUs. Digital RMAA makes a lot more sense to me
I have to prepare some FW for you in that case. Finally, I want to place RIAA switch in the Tweak_Cosmos app but that will take time.
Right now I can provide the FW which turns On RIAA EQ in Cosmos ADC at the particular sampling frequency. Next few weeks, I'll implement the FW capable to work with any sampling frequency with RIAA.
 
Huh, did you notice that Cosmos APU+Cosmos ADC+digital_RIAA combo outperforms even pretty complex DIY preamp like that?

Ivan, this is my Openamp, complete analogue phono preamp. Are you doing better? ;)
(BTW, load impedance was 500 ohm)

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Huh, one more review from the deepest reviewer I know. And that guy is capable to measure THD = -150db ;)
pma, honestly, my idea was just to make a tool to improve my AP measurement horizon, kinda a microscope for audio research. I had such tools already in some ugly-proto forms, and I decided to brush it up like a compact single device with convenient USB-C power. However, our discord folk(or maybe some ASR forum people, I'm not sure) asked me to add there, just by the way, an ability to play vinyl, and later 48VDC for condenser mics. I did analyze the cost of such modifications and found this nearly free. Why not, here we go. So, as you can see Cosmos APU is just by the way a "phono" preamp but suddenly decent one.
 
Guys, I prepared a new Cosmos ADC FW with DSP RIAA EQ for vinyl ripping geeks. All Fs are supported from 44.1 to 384, but RIAA only with no subsonic so far, and RIAA isn't controllable by Cosmos_Tweak app yet. If anyone is interested in trying let me know.

PS: I have an idea to make RIAA switchable by the volume slider of windows, the same way as now switching MONO/STEREO ADC mode. What do you think if I'll add the middle position on the slider(from 40 to 60%) when RIAA EQ is On? So, 0-40% will be STEREO, 60-100% MONO, 40-60% STEREO RIAA EQ.
 
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What connection is balanced and what connection isn't on APU ?
As you can read in the specs sheet, the inputs for both LNA and Notch are differential, the outputs for both LNA and APU are single-ended:
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That's why I used TRS (Hot, Cold, GND) for inputs and TS (Signal, GND) for outputs.
 
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