Dynaudio exiting US.

[ErVikingo]

What's more, they are made in a country that has selected decent level-headed people as their leaders.

Was this even necessary? That’s quite a detour. Leadership has nothing to do with how a loudspeaker is engineered, measured, or heard. Let’s stay on the audio side of the road.

 

[JiiPee]

Was this even necessary? That’s quite a detour. Leadership has nothing to do with how a loudspeaker is engineered, measured, or heard. Let’s stay on the audio side of the road.

How come commenting the labor model of Denmark (as You have done) is ok, but complimenting their leadership is not ok?

 

[Timcognito]

Denmark’s labor model (high wages, collective bargaining floors, mandatory benefits, and strict regulatory compliance) makes local manufacturing structurally expensive. Math is unforgiving when your minimum labor cost is perhaps 10-15x higher than China.

That's true for all western countries when your government builds your plant, infrastructure, requires all sub-assemblies be built within its borders and there is little profit and no share holders. I know because the startup I confounded was sold to Chinese VC firm and that exactly what happened.

 

[Waxx]

Dynaudio

I disagree with some of the dismissive comments on this thread. Modern Dynaudio speakers usually show rather respectable measured performance. For example, look at the measurements of Dynaudio Contour 20i and 30i speakers in Stereophile. In my opinion, they are better than most of the competition in respective price range. What's more, they are made in a country that has selected decent level-headed people as their leaders.

I don't say they are bad, but they did not innovate anymore. They were top in the 1980's and 1990's, but tech moved on, and they did not. Their tech was solid enough to be a key player for a few decades and they became lazy in that innovation while still charging top prices.

But it's true, their builds are still solid quality of the early 1990's, on that little did change. But little change is the problem they have now.

 

[ErVikingo]

How come commenting the labor model of Denmark (as You have done) is ok, but complimenting their leadership is not ok?

I'll entertain your comeback but its quite simple: one is factual and on topic. The other is trolling with political vitriol. That’s why one adds value and the other derails the conversation.

Commenting on Denmark’s labor model is relevant and on topic because it directly affects the cost structure, manufacturing and product quality. Their political leadership, on the other hand, has nothing to do with loudspeakers. That’s the difference.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Why do all of their drivers look the same?

 

[Doenerkunde]

Why do all of their drivers look the same?

They vacuumform cone and dustcap from one single sheet of plastic (their own Formular called MSP) and leave slits between them to center the voicecoil in the magnetic gap with wires before glueing the surround to the basket.

 

[Pearljam5000]

They vacuumform cone and dustcap from one single sheet of plastic (their own Formular called MSP) and leave slits between them to center the voicecoil in the magnetic gap with wires before glueing the surround to the basket.

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Yeah but it's a little bummer because if you buy a high end Dynaudio or a low end the drivers look basically the same
With Focal for example you at least get totally different drivers inside and out

 

[Chrispy]

Just last month they released a EUR 13,000 soundbar with a custom spatial engine.... I wouldn't say they show no innovation.

I was referring to the diy components....

 

[Speakerman1980]

I don't get into politics.

But I am more curious to know if it's the young people with their headphones the biggest killer for manufacturers of loudspeaker setups. Or is it the trade war.

Probably both.

 

[Cogito]

. What's more, they are made in a country that has selected decent level-headed people as their leaders.

Phew! Skirting the edge of politics... So tempting...

 

[Looneybomber]

Was this even necessary? That’s quite a detour. Leadership has nothing to do with how a loudspeaker is engineered, measured, or heard. Let’s stay on the audio side of the road.

Maybe I’m not understanding the backstory?

Leadership has everything to do with the products their company produces and this isn’t unique to any one industry. The engineering and design team has to work within the confines of what leadership establishes - typically revolving around a price point and what sells.

Rarely does leadership give the engineering department a blank check, ignores them, and then gets surprised by what’s produced months later. If anything, leadership micromanages the engineering and design phase too much, not letting the engineers do their job…or at least that’s been my experience.

 

[Mort]

Maybe I’m not understanding the backstory?

Leadership has everything to do with the products their company produces and this isn’t unique to any one industry. The engineering and design team has to work within the confines of what leadership establishes - typically revolving around a price point and what sells.

Rarely does leadership give the engineering department a blank check, ignores them, and then gets surprised by what’s produced months later. If anything, leadership micromanages the engineering and design phase too much, not letting the engineers do their job…or at least that’s been my experience.

The original was about political leadership

 

[ErVikingo]

Maybe I’m not understanding the backstory?

He was referring to the country's leadership not the business entity (where I agree with you).

 

[Pearljam5000]

I bet you they Will return to the US market in a few months
There's no way they'd give up such a huge market

 

[PristineSound]

I bet you they Will return to the US market in a few months
There's no way they'd give up such a huge market

They will probably just partner with an importer and the importer will be 100% responsible for all operations in the US.

 

[GavriloD]

Dynaudio speakers are just silly expensive for what they offer. They remade Contour 1.8 MKII ($2500-$3000) in the early 2000s and priced them at $14,000. They made active speakers, Confidence 20i, $24,000 MSRP, more expensive than D&D, Kii, Genelec? And the rest of their range is just completely mispriced. I own an old pair of 1.8 MKII, I was always a fan, the best speakers Sonus Faber ever made used Dynaudio drivers, Totem Mani 2, a legendary speaker, used Dynaudio drivers. Ancient history, Dynaudio cannot sell its speakers at the asking price.

 

[Looneybomber]

He was referring to the country's leadership not the business entity (where I agree with you).

Ah thank you for clarifying for me.

 

[Chazz6]

My Revival Audio Atalante 3 speakers have a Dynaudio connection:

Designer Daniel Emonts has worked with Altec-Lancing and Focal. He spent almost six years in a senior engineering role in Dynaudio’s acoustics R&D department.
https://hifiplus.com/articles/revival-audio-atalante-3-stand-mount-loudspeaker/

I've had Focal Aria speakers, and the Atalante 3's are much better, not bright. They are also priced well below Dynaudio's current list. There is an Atalante series. The 3's are largish bookshelf, two-way, rear-ported.

ATALANTE 3 | Revival Audio

revivalaudio.fr

 

[GavriloD]

My Revival Audio Atalante 3 speakers have a Dynaudio connection:

Designer Daniel Emonts has worked with Altec-Lancing and Focal. He spent almost six years in a senior engineering role in Dynaudio’s acoustics R&D department.
https://hifiplus.com/articles/revival-audio-atalante-3-stand-mount-loudspeaker/

I've had Focal Aria speakers, and the Atalante 3's are much better, not bright. They are also priced well below Dynaudio's current list. There is an Atalante series. The 3's are largish bookshelf, two-way, rear-ported.

ATALANTE 3 | Revival Audio

revivalaudio.fr

5s are really something, 7s are very large but kick ....