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Discussion in 'Desperate Dealers Forum' started by Purité Audio, Nov 12, 2017.

  1. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Major Contributor Industry Insider Barrowmaster

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    I'm excited about these speakers. I have a hunch that I will like them better than the Kiis. I also prefer their looks.
     
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    They are really excellent loudspeakers, having both the Kiis and 8Cs has been really interesting, although they appear to measure quite similarly in-room they sound quite different.
    Since we have managed to have both speakers permanently here every potential listener has preferred the 8Cs including Alex from Swift mastering.
    Keith
     
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    That's the intriguing thing, isn't it... that speakers that measure similarly can sound or "feel" different. I don't think frequency response is the only ting that matters in a loudspeaker. If you add horizontal and vertical dispersion, you add another important factor. Adding non-linar distortion gets you even closer. Dynamics and power handling is one more thing. Beyond that? I suspect that drivers can "couple to the air" in different ways. Haven't seen any research on this though. I suspect that a larger midrange driver can couple the sound waves to the air in a more natural manner than a smaller driver (as in the Kiis) can do. Or perhaps the "spraying" of the Kiis does something to the sound, making it sound less crisp? I don't know.

    Anyway, if there indeed are differences between the Kiis and the 8cs, then obviously it can be measured in some way. But it won't necessarily show up on a frequency plot.
     
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    I intend to measure both speakers again, but this time perhaps an averaged set of measurements á la John Atkinson, subjectively the 8Cs have a ‘fuller’ sound, voices for example have more body or chest content, bass is much punchier , I also hope to get some Geithain 944s or 901s here , they have a cardioid response for the lower bass only.
    Keith
     
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    Cool. The Geithains seem like very impressive speakers.
     
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    Very interesting comments on Gearslutz - the 8C are that much closer to being fully competent, in standard form.
     
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    Keith, how do the custom stands look? Any pics?

    I guess it should be possible to find generic stands which could fit as well. When I look at them, I think stands like these (made for Harbeth) would complement them aesthetically:

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    Except that there's no need for these stupid spiky things at the bottom. The right answer is to have no spikes, and then some anti-vibration damping between the speakers and the stands.
     
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    I just had some stands made up from a UK company ‘Custom Design’ the loudspeakers acoustic centre is midway between the woofer and tweeter, an open stand would be fine, the 8Cs have a ‘slow’ fan although I haven’t been able to get it to activate as yet, the speakers have their own rubber ‘runner’ feet so they are slightly raised off the ground .
    We will almost certainly include a pair of Custom stands at our cost made to the specification the customer requires,
     

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    Looking good!
     
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    They are ok, they do come with spikes but I replace them with sorbathane feet, easier to move around !
    Keith
     

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