Just finished the outer casing/stool now
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Dutch & Dutch 8c Review
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Just finished the outer casing/
fair, wasn’t finished anyway. Mix of practicality (protection when not in use) and aesthetic decision .somehow I prefer how they looked in a normal stand. but out of my budget anyway
Congratulations, you've now introduced multiple diffractions/interferences to the dispersion pattern of the speakers you paid €14,000 for, renowned for their state-of-the-art dispersion. Now, they have a dispersion pattern comparable to that of JBL 305s. Woo hoo!
Side vents unobstructed. Top panel pretty much in line with front and rear of speaker. Aluminium frame filled with sand and base out of thick steel plate. Table placement not ideal but given the necessary limitation in my home, the 8Cs are best suited to contend with it. Surprisingly, this height measured best with the speakers a touch recessed into the base (drivers still have good clearance above).
Sound good to me.
I think he would really enjoy the sound of the lifting mechanism. Hahahaha
restorer-john
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Congratulations, you've just elevated your clown status significantly.
Member Talal is making considered decisions to further his enjoyment and I'm impressed. Jealous are we?
I’m going to record it, record that playing back through the speakers, and post to youtube for others to experience the “8C”sound
It's the truth. In fact, anyone who doesn't have a big ego would perceive my comment as a some kind of ''help''. He's just introducing lots of diffractions and ruining the directivity of the speakers. Anything that surrounds the speaker within 2 meters(walls included) would only introduce SBIR and potentially diffractions. This is an audio science server, if I see something 'scientifically wrong', I'll let others know.
I honestly have no reasons to be jealous. I have 8361's with x2 W371's. I'm fine thanks.
If I warn him, even if it's not in the most pleasant way, he might take the advice and work on getting the full potential out of his speakers. Even those chairs around the midrange drivers are adding significant amount of diffractions and very early reflections. What's the point of getting good speakers, if they are not placed properly?
Charming.
As a help to you, I'll share the advice that "help" is appreciated and advice heeded when considering personal constraints rather than adopting an absolutist approach, and making suggestion or helping to frame the issue. Direct thoughts are fine too, but if you envelope them in sarcasm, expect a sarcastic response. Whilst imperfect, in the interest of scientific accuracy, you must be aware that the performance of this system far exceeds that of the JBL305s, even with the room constraints. If we're talking cost benefit, that's a different equation also bound by personal preference and constraints, in which case many would take issue with your choice of W371s, but not us, because we appreciate a person's choice to spend more in pursuit of sometimes marginal gains.
I get to place these great speakers in my limited listening space (which perform far better than other systems despite the constraints) whilst enjoying life in general, my girlfriend who is a compatriot of your listed location is happy with the aesthetic suitability (as am I), protection provided for speakers from being knocked over.. which would result in a significant reduction in performance. Most importantly, they sound good.
Added benefit of being able to battle online trolls
JustJones
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I guess you only need power cable and ethernet for these and they will run under the floor?
Colonel7
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Don’t know much about the 8c design…
I know 8C needs rear wall coupling but that would still introduce SBIR cancellations. Yes, the 8C relies on a rear wall to create a cardioid dispersion pattern at low frequencies, as its rear-firing woofers are designed to couple with the wall. The designer of the 8C explained this in detail a few years ago on ASR.
Ideally, speakers shouldn’t be placed too close to walls, but we don’t live in a perfect world. However, that doesn’t mean we should enclose speakers in an additional mantle or casing just to improve their appearance, as that would compromise their excellent dispersion characteristics
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No SBIR from the FRONT wall because of the coupling and cardioid. You are wrong. Get over it.
At what frequency is SBIR avoided, and from which driver? The midrange driver is still affected by SBIR when the speakers are placed close to the wall. Because the rear woofers are coupled with the front wall, midrange driver SBIR becomes non-existent totally? That's magic. I love it.
This guy has taken incredible speakers and made them perform more like a cheap studio monitor—and that’s what you’re defending right now.
Sure, I'll join you guys then.
Talal, amazing setup bro, amazing room treatment, they look so great in your room! amazing.
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All frequencies. All drivers. Stop trolling.At what frequency is SBIR avoided, and from which driver? The midrange driver is still affected by SBIR when the speakers are placed close to the wall.
Yes, all you need to stream from Roon or Spotify presently. Will run these under the floor. May add another audio cable in case I’ll wish to add another source in future, perhaps link to surround setup
At what frequency is SBIR avoided, and from which driver? The midrange driver is still affected by SBIR when the speakers are placed close to the wall. Because the rear woofers are coupled with the front wall, midrange driver SBIR becomes non-existent totally? That's magic. I love it.
This guy has taken incredible speakers and made them perform more like a cheap studio monitor—and that’s what you’re defending right now.
Sure, I'll join you guys then.
Talal, amazing setup bro, amazing room treatment, they look so great in your room! amazing.
tw99
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I'm using a MiniDSP SHD with my 8Cs, and due to the cable lengths required in my setup, I didn't have any success with passive SPDIF coax to AES conversion. The MiniDSP outputs at 96/24 and the signal would not make it reliably to the speakers. It'd work for a few minutes, then one or other other would drop out. I've used analogue XLR for the last year, but it's always mildly bugged me that there was an unnecessary D-A-D conversion step, even if it's most likely inaudible.
I looked for a long time, in vain, for any affordable and reputable active converter, and didn't find one. So I've eventually rolled the dice on this from AliExpress, because I saw it had a single review that said it worked at 96khz ! £14 wasn't much to risk, and I'm pleased to report that it seems to work fine. The only downside is about a 3dB loss in level compared to the high gain XLR input.
I looked for a long time, in vain, for any affordable and reputable active converter, and didn't find one. So I've eventually rolled the dice on this from AliExpress, because I saw it had a single review that said it worked at 96khz ! £14 wasn't much to risk, and I'm pleased to report that it seems to work fine. The only downside is about a 3dB loss in level compared to the high gain XLR input.
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