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Dutch & Dutch 6c

My colleague Jannis (our head of sales and product strategy) kicked off this thread while I was in Canada. He gave just enough info to get everyone curious, then neatly sidestepped all the good questions. Classic Jannis :D.

I was there for a get-together of speaker designers hosted by Doug Schneider from SoundStage (not sure if he’s on here, couldn’t find his handle). It was a real treat to meet some of my heroes, especially @Sean Olive and @Floyd Toole, the latter of whom I met for the first time. Most of what I know about loudspeakers and how they interact with rooms comes from their work, so meeting them in person was a big moment for me.

Floyd even referenced the work of @amirm and Erin (Erin’s Audio Corner) a couple of times in his presentation. It was nice to see that recognition going both ways. Big thanks to Doug for bringing everyone together!


Now that I’m back, I’d like to actually answer some of the questions about the 6c. But first, here are a few pictures from the event:
  • Floyd Toole getting set up for his presentation.
  • Floyd sharing stories and insights from his career: the research, key findings, and how the field has continued to develop since his retirement. Decades of work that shaped how we understand speakers and rooms, all distilled into one talk.
  • Dinner conversation. From left to right: Paul Hales, Dave Morrison, me, Martyn Miller, Floyd's wife Anne, Floyd Toole, and Sean Olive.


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Now that I’m back, it’s time to stop teasing and start answering. You’ve asked some great questions about the 6c, so let’s dive in:

"expandable by choice" - does this mean there's going to be a bass stand or something similar? Very cool news, nice to see another model coming out!

The 6c is basically half the size of the 8c, with the same Dutch & Dutch sound. On its own it’s a complete little loudspeaker, but it’s also the first step toward something bigger. In 2026 we’ll add an optional bass module that turns it into a full-range floorstander, so you can take it from compact to full-blown high-end depending on your needs.

Can we have some teaser technical specs?

Will you be providing measurements or arranging for them through Amir or Erin?

Guidance on cosmetic finishes?

Like the 8c, the 6c is a 3-way: dome tweeter in a waveguide, midwoofer on the front, and a woofer on the back. At this stage we only have engineering measurements, but once things are final we’ll publish a proper set. It would be fantastic to see Amir or Erin put the 6c through its paces as well.

On finishes: we’ll be offering a range of colors, including one shade of green with a name fancy enough that I always forget it.

At least post a dark picture that we can brighten, or something in a similar vein so we can speculate. Feed the nerds.

This dark enough? ;)

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Many users report that the 8C can reach 20 Hz (–3 dB). Can we expect the 6C to reach 30 Hz (–3 dB) when coupled with the front wall?

Yes.

I am also curious about the front wall coupling. If the speaker’s depth is shallow, that would mean that the cardioid response wouldn’t have to go as low. Hopefully that’s the case, and it allows for close listening distance

Correct. Just like the 8c, the 6c is designed to be placed close to the front wall. It can be listened to from close distance.

It won’t be game over for them because D&D has an enormous fan base in the recording of audio world.

Which brings another question. Will these speakers have a low latency mode for recording? Ideally less than .5 ms but under 1 ms I’d still be able to use
Game over? We’ve managed just fine with a single model for more than seven years, and now we’re only just getting started :cool:.

And yes, the 6c will have a low-latency mode for tracking.

I’ve had 8cs since 2019 and have been very happy. Can’t imagine not trying the 6Cs. Will probably work great for surrounds and a center in my media room.

That’s great to hear! If you’ve enjoyed the 8c, the 6c should feel very familiar, just in a more compact package.

Nice!

Some questions from my side (take your time to tease us with the answers)..
1. Max SPL
2. THD (100-10k) at 95dB SPL
3. IMD & directivity charts

Max SPL is always a tricky number to pin down, but what really matters are distortion and directivity. That’s where independent measurements will be most valuable. Hopefully Amir or Erin can take the 6c for a full test once it's out.

For a 4m x 4m x 3m(H) study room, which is more suited? 8c or 6c?

(Normal loudness ~75dBC, occasional head banging loudness ~90dBC, at listening position)

Both would work well in a room that size. If you’re mostly at moderate levels, the 6c should be more than enough.

I am hoping (fantasizing?) software will adjust the rear woofers to create a steering effect similar to W371A for the bass stand (12C?). I assume the 6C will have rear woofers, and also hoping such functionality will come to 8C.

"More advanced" = the same idea, but bring my own sub of choice?

The 6c does indeed have a rear woofer, as will its bass module. As for steering magic... keep fantasizing, you never know where that might lead .


We’ll be giving the 6c an early showing at the Dutch Audio Event in Veldhoven: https://dutchaudioevent.nl/

Think of it as a warm-up. The broader release will follow at Warsaw at the end of October. Pre-orders open in November, and we expect to ship the first pairs before Christmas.
 
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Thank you very much for the insightful tips :)

And yes, looking forward to the production unit measurements by Erin and/or Amir.
 
lo
My colleague Jannis (our head of sales and product strategy) kicked off this thread while I was in Canada. He gave just enough info to get everyone curious, then neatly sidestepped all the good questions. Classic Jannis :D.

I was there for a get-together of speaker designers hosted by Doug Schneider from SoundStage (not sure if he’s on here, couldn’t find his handle). It was a real treat to meet some of my heroes, especially @Sean Olive and @Floyd Toole, the latter of whom I met for the first time. Most of what I know about loudspeakers and how they interact with rooms comes from their work, so meeting them in person was a big moment for me.

Floyd even referenced the work of @amirm and Erin (Erin’s Audio Corner) a couple of times in his presentation. It was nice to see that recognition going both ways. Big thanks to Doug for bringing everyone together!


Now that I’m back, I’d like to actually answer some of the questions about the 6c. But first, here are a few pictures from the event:
  • Floyd Toole getting set up for his presentation.
  • Floyd sharing stories and insights from his career: the research, key findings, and how the field has continued to develop since his retirement. Decades of work that shaped how we understand speakers and rooms, all distilled into one talk.
  • Dinner conversation. From left to right: Paul Hales, Dave Morrison, me, Martyn Miller, Floyd's wife Anne, Floyd Toole, and Sean Olive.


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Now that I’m back, it’s time to stop teasing and start answering. You’ve asked some great questions about the 6c, so let’s dive in:



The 6c is basically half the size of the 8c, with the same Dutch & Dutch sound. On its own it’s a complete little loudspeaker, but it’s also the first step toward something bigger. In 2026 we’ll add an optional bass module that turns it into a full-range floorstander, so you can take it from compact to full-blown high-end depending on your needs.



Like the 8c, the 6c is a 3-way: dome tweeter in a waveguide, midwoofer on the front, and a woofer on the back. At this stage we only have engineering measurements, but once things are final we’ll publish a proper set. It would be fantastic to see Amir or Erin put the 6c through its paces as well.

On finishes: we’ll be offering a range of colors, including one shade of green with a name fancy enough that I always forget it.



This dark enough? ;)

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Yes.



Correct. Just like the 8c, the 6c is designed to be placed close to the front wall. It can be listened to from close distance.


Game over? We’ve managed just fine with a single model for more than seven years, and now we’re only just getting started :cool:.

And yes, the 6c will have a low-latency mode for tracking.



That’s great to hear! If you’ve enjoyed the 8c, the 6c should feel very familiar, just in a more compact package.



Max SPL is always a tricky number to pin down, but what really matters are distortion and directivity. That’s where independent measurements will be most valuable. Hopefully Amir or Erin can take the 6c for a full test once it's out.



Both would work well in a room that size. If you’re mostly at moderate levels, the 6c should be more than enough.



The 6c does indeed have a rear woofer, as will its bass module. As for steering magic... keep fantasizing, you never know where that might lead .


We’ll be giving the 6c an early showing at the Dutch Audio Event in Veldhoven: https://dutchaudioevent.nl/

Think of it as a warm-up. The broader release will follow at Warsaw at the end of October. Pre-orders open in November, and we expect to ship the first pairs before Christmas.
Looking forward to giving these a demo and shilling them to my producer friends lol. some already have the 8C. and others are looking for more compact stuff so excited to shill this to them too
 
lo

Looking forward to giving these a demo and shilling them to my producer friends lol. some already have the 8C. and others are looking for more compact stuff so excited to shill this to them too
I'm hoping that you you don't know the true meaning of the word shill, but if you do, then please leave this forum.
 
"not sure if he's (Doug Schneider) on here, couldn’t find his handle"

I guess you didn't know Doug hates Amir with all of his heart and soul?

I assume the reason why such animosity exists is because Amir's science only approach to reviewing HiFi where Amir trashes snake oil like cables, power conditioners and other audio silliness is breaking the industry status quote of audio foolishness affects the dynamics of foolish money spending. . .which also ultimately affects Doug's semi science based review business.
 
I'm hoping that you you don't know the true meaning of the word shill, but if you do, then please leave this forum.
No I don't know the true meaning of shill and I guess I'd stay on the forum
 
My colleague Jannis (our head of sales and product strategy) kicked off this thread while I was in Canada. He gave just enough info to get everyone curious, then neatly sidestepped all the good questions. Classic Jannis :D.

I was there for a get-together of speaker designers hosted by Doug Schneider from SoundStage (not sure if he’s on here, couldn’t find his handle). It was a real treat to meet some of my heroes, especially @Sean Olive and @Floyd Toole, the latter of whom I met for the first time. Most of what I know about loudspeakers and how they interact with rooms comes from their work, so meeting them in person was a big moment for me.

Floyd even referenced the work of @amirm and Erin (Erin’s Audio Corner) a couple of times in his presentation. It was nice to see that recognition going both ways. Big thanks to Doug for bringing everyone together!


Now that I’m back, I’d like to actually answer some of the questions about the 6c. But first, here are a few pictures from the event:
  • Floyd Toole getting set up for his presentation.
  • Floyd sharing stories and insights from his career: the research, key findings, and how the field has continued to develop since his retirement. Decades of work that shaped how we understand speakers and rooms, all distilled into one talk.
  • Dinner conversation. From left to right: Paul Hales, Dave Morrison, me, Martyn Miller, Floyd's wife Anne, Floyd Toole, and Sean Olive.


View attachment 477972


View attachment 477960



View attachment 477949


Now that I’m back, it’s time to stop teasing and start answering. You’ve asked some great questions about the 6c, so let’s dive in:



The 6c is basically half the size of the 8c, with the same Dutch & Dutch sound. On its own it’s a complete little loudspeaker, but it’s also the first step toward something bigger. In 2026 we’ll add an optional bass module that turns it into a full-range floorstander, so you can take it from compact to full-blown high-end depending on your needs.



Like the 8c, the 6c is a 3-way: dome tweeter in a waveguide, midwoofer on the front, and a woofer on the back. At this stage we only have engineering measurements, but once things are final we’ll publish a proper set. It would be fantastic to see Amir or Erin put the 6c through its paces as well.

On finishes: we’ll be offering a range of colors, including one shade of green with a name fancy enough that I always forget it.



This dark enough? ;)

View attachment 477974



Yes.



Correct. Just like the 8c, the 6c is designed to be placed close to the front wall. It can be listened to from close distance.


Game over? We’ve managed just fine with a single model for more than seven years, and now we’re only just getting started :cool:.

And yes, the 6c will have a low-latency mode for tracking.



That’s great to hear! If you’ve enjoyed the 8c, the 6c should feel very familiar, just in a more compact package.



Max SPL is always a tricky number to pin down, but what really matters are distortion and directivity. That’s where independent measurements will be most valuable. Hopefully Amir or Erin can take the 6c for a full test once it's out.



Both would work well in a room that size. If you’re mostly at moderate levels, the 6c should be more than enough.



The 6c does indeed have a rear woofer, as will its bass module. As for steering magic... keep fantasizing, you never know where that might lead .


We’ll be giving the 6c an early showing at the Dutch Audio Event in Veldhoven: https://dutchaudioevent.nl/

Think of it as a warm-up. The broader release will follow at Warsaw at the end of October. Pre-orders open in November, and we expect to ship the first pairs before Christmas.
They look good ! The green finish looks the part.
 
if it is ultimate sound quality that I'm after, do I buy this + bass units for a 4.5x5.5x2.8m room for 85-ishdB?
ie are these a step up in sound somehow from the 8's, or simply smaller with extra flexibility?
 
Very nice!
But how does it spin? That is the question. :)
 
@Jannis - Dutch & Dutch can you please figure a way to exhibit at Capital Audiofest? The 8c seems to have made an appearance at the other major U.S. shows but not in the Washington DC Capital area. I know I’m not alone in wanting to hear the 8c and 6c!
 
@Jannis - Dutch & Dutch can you please figure a way to exhibit at Capital Audiofest? The 8c seems to have made an appearance at the other major U.S. shows but not in the Washington DC Capital area. I know I’m not alone in wanting to hear the 8c and 6c!
Hello Colonel7,

In the U.S. we work together with our distributor, and we decide jointly which shows we can attend. Unfortunately , it’s not possible for us to be at every event, but I will definitely bring up the Capital AudioFest in Washington, D.C. with our American distributor. Since this year’s show is already coming up in November, it’s a bit too soon for us to plan and attend, but I truly appreciate the suggestion.

Jannis
 

MSRP (excl. VAT)

  • 6c: €4,112 per unit
  • 6c "Color Finish" : €4,500 per unit
  • 6c Studio: €3,906 per unit

MSRP (incl. 21% VAT, The Netherlands)

  • 6c: €4,975 per unit
  • 6c Color Finish: €5,445 per unit
  • 6c Studio: €4,726 per unit

Dutch & Dutch 6c – Available Finishes


  • Primary

    • Matte White
    • Matte Black
    • Gloss White
    • Gloss Black

  • Soft Series
    • Soft Ash
    • Soft Moss
    • Soft Stone

  • Metallic Series
    • Metallic Pine (green, as shared by Martijn)
    • Metallic Copper
    • Metallic Cinnamon

Dutch & Dutch 6c Studio – Available Finishes

  • Matte White
  • Matte Black
Matte finishes reduce reflections from computer screens, especially in dimly lit workspaces.

Key Difference Between 6c & 6c Studio

  • 6c: Including streaming capabilities
  • 6c Studio: No streaming
There is no audible difference between the 6c and the 6c Studio. They deliver identical performance

Jannis
 
MSRP (excl. VAT)

  • 6c: €4,112 per unit
  • 6c "Color Finish" : €4,500 per unit
  • 6c Studio: €3,906 per unit

MSRP (incl. 21% VAT, The Netherlands)

  • 6c: €4,975 per unit
  • 6c Color Finish: €5,445 per unit
  • 6c Studio: €4,726 per unit

Dutch & Dutch 6c – Available Finishes


  • Primary

    • Matte White
    • Matte Black
    • Gloss White
    • Gloss Black

  • Soft Series
    • Soft Ash
    • Soft Moss
    • Soft Stone

  • Metallic Series
    • Metallic Pine (green, as shared by Martijn)
    • Metallic Copper
    • Metallic Cinnamon

Dutch & Dutch 6c Studio – Available Finishes

  • Matte White
  • Matte Black
Matte finishes reduce reflections from computer screens, especially in dimly lit workspaces.

Key Difference Between 6c & 6c Studio

  • 6c: Including streaming capabilities
  • 6c Studio: No streaming
There is no audible difference between the 6c and the 6c Studio. They deliver identical performance

Jannis
Nice to share this information
So I understand “per unit “ means for one speaker ?
Around 10000€ per pair including VAT?
Thank you
 
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