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Dutch & Dutch 6c

I agree, although SBIR dips lower in bass the farther you are from the front wall (the wall in front of you, not behind you). You truly have to measure. And if you can’t change your listening position and also speaker positions, you are fighting an uphill battle.

Room modes and SBIR can be get helped with speaker technology and optimization software, but where you place things will have a bigger impact on your sound
 
If I’m not mistaking, the back seems to have three ethernet inputs instead of just one for the 8c. Will this be the connection for the bass modules? And/or Dante input?
There are three RJ45 sockets, but only one of them is Ethernet. The other two are the new Dutch & Dutch Link interface. This will be used to connect the 6c and 6S. Its other function is to provide wired (low latency) synchronisation between 6c speakers. Wireless synchronisation is an option, if you prefer, but personally I love the option of mixing a wire between the speakers for maximum performance with WiFi to connect to my Roon server, Spotify, Ascend etc. It means that I no longer have to place a switch between my speakers or run wires from my router.
 
Longtime reader, first time poster.

I'm really interested in the 6c and wanted to try to find out more about the upgrade path to the 6S. So at the moment, trying to find every bit of information about it, that is out there.

I found the following pricing for the 6S:
- Dutch &Dutch 6S (expansion module) – €21,550 per pair;
- Dutch &Dutch 6cS (6c + 6S): €31,500 per pair.
Source is https://www.hifiverse.io/news/audio/dutch-and-dutch-6c-active
Not sure if this is accurate, but seems plausible. Maybe someone from Dutch&Dutch could confirm this? It seems it's in direct competition to the kii three and bxt module as they are priced similarly.

What I also found was the first look at what is probably the 6S in a recent Dutch&Dutch factory tour by Soundstage Network in the background:
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Source is this video at 10:26:

For me personally, this is probably too expensive and I don't need the output power. But will wait and see, maybe I'll go for the 8c. I'm in no rush and plan to upgrade in the next 1 to 3 years.
 
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Comparing prices for (high-quality) speakers + bass units is fine but the details are important eg do the units include streamer / EQ +/- microphone +/-third-party EQ software compatibility / other inputs / support /expandabilty / shipping (esp to Australia).
Lots of questions to answer, not to mention the subtle variations in speaker sound / voicing and room interaction that make ordering unheard more of a gamble than in the case of, say, an amp.
 
Comparing prices for (high-quality) speakers + bass units is fine but the details are important eg do the units include streamer / EQ +/- microphone +/-third-party EQ software compatibility / other inputs / support /expandabilty / shipping (esp to Australia).
Lots of questions to answer, not to mention the subtle variations in speaker sound / voicing and room interaction that make ordering unheard more of a gamble than in the case of, say, an amp.
Yeah, but still...
 
First review — it seems to be very capable, especially for smaller rooms. I’d love to listen to the 6c and 8c back to back to compare for myself.


Looking forward to more reviews.

I wonder if there have been any changes to the Ascend digital platform. Is the internal sampling rate the same? If there have been any changes, will the 8c also receive similar updates?
 
First review — it seems to be very capable, especially for smaller rooms. I’d love to listen to the 6c and 8c back to back to compare for myself.


Looking forward to more reviews.

I wonder if there have been any changes to the Ascend digital platform. Is the internal sampling rate the same? If there have been any changes, will the 8c also receive similar updates?
I like the review. Very straighforward
 
First review — it seems to be very capable, especially for smaller rooms. I’d love to listen to the 6c and 8c back to back to compare for myself.


Looking forward to more reviews.

I wonder if there have been any changes to the Ascend digital platform. Is the internal sampling rate the same? If there have been any changes, will the 8c also receive similar updates?
I'd bet they will sound pretty much identical, with the 8C being able to play louder. My guess is the DSP will be largely unchanged, because I don't think their software team is that big, and they're already supposed to be working on Tidal/Qobuz and totally rewriting the front end of the Ascend Apps, plus the additional synchronisation options that Strictly Stereo mentioned.
 
Do we know how much they are going to be?
Keit
 
While I like the review, the reasoning behind why the price is too low is just utter madness.
Indeed, the hifi industry is getting just way too expensive. For example Dali’s epicon range is replaced by the epikore and they doubled the prices. Many more examples out there.

6k a pair was also fine for the 6c and should be profitable.
 
I've heard incredible stuff to justify equipment prices.

Including how active speakers save you thousands in proportionately priced cables.
 
I don't know if anybody pointed this out... from "audio science point of view", 8c's Achilles' heel was measurable distortion of the 8inch midwoofer (being cardioid and pretty stressed down to 100Hz). Now we have even smaller drivers (6 inch) and a justified assumption those have some much harder task to keep up playing low. What do you think about it? Magic drivers?
 
I don't know if anybody pointed this out... from "audio science point of view", 8c's Achilles' heel was measurable distortion of the 8inch midwoofer (being cardioid and pretty stressed down to 100Hz). Now we have even smaller drivers (6 inch) and a justified assumption those have some much harder task to keep up playing low. What do you think about it? Magic drivers?and
The 8c's "Achilles heel" as you describe it, isn't audible IME, its a design trade off as has been discussed before. They clearly have their limits however, though not as much as conventional speakers I've experienced of a similar size or larger.

6c's are clearly a smaller 8c so don't think we can expect them to play as loud as 8c and have the same dynamic headroom. so no "Magic drivers". What'll be interesting is how they perform with the 6s module. From the images posted by @Krazedcat, it looks like there are three additional 6" mid/bass drivers on the front and perhaps 2 more 8" subs on the rear. That would allow the DSP to significantly reduce the load on the 6c's mid/woofer and as a combined package add up to some serious SPL and dynamic headroom. All conjecture on my part of course and it would seem another 5-6 months of waiting to find out. :(
 
I would like to share my humble experience on the occasion of the “hxoseikona show 2025” which took place this past weekend in Athens Greece. Specifically, I would like to comment on the dutch & dutch 6c’s which were presented at the show. I am not an expert but I consider myself as someone who appreciates good sound, value for money…relaxing and recomposing myself while listening to almost all genres of music . These past years I’ve been leaning towards active speakers and have previously owned Elac Navis Arb51 followed by Buchardts A500’s.

On both occasions I was a very satisfied owner - rediscovering music that I enjoy listening to and always stretching my wallet to get the best I could afford. I also visited Munich’s Hi-end show last May and was delighted to listen to Kii’s seven as part of my next upgrade in my “audiophile path”. Dutch and Dutch 8c was also my dream speaker, following its evolution through the last 6-7 years or so and having listened to it on occasions I fell in love with its faithful and effortless sound recreation. A smaller more affordable d&d is something I’ve longed for and when rumors spread the last few months I knew I had to listen. I was pleasantly surprised d&d attended the show in Athens where I had the chance to experience not only the sound of 6c’s but also to compare it with the kii seven’s which were also presented at the event. After spending an hour at the latter, I rushed to the d&d room (both rooms were untreated and roughly the same size) and, boom, I instantly forgot about the Kii’s . What I heard from the very first moment was effortless presentation - almost an identical sound resembling that of 6c’s bigger brother. Love at first listen! I stayed there for almost three hours, listening to music and feeling sound so right for that room…or any room as Yianni (from d&d) very kindly explained to me and to all the people who attended presentation during my stay. No listening fatigue (sound levels 85-95 dB most of the time with some picks…). Precision, soundstage, delicate, dynamic, effortless, easy listening, forceful bass, thundering, impactful, impressive are all words that come to mind when describing this experience. WoW . I decided to visit the show again on the second day to verify my initial impressions and, yes, I wasn’t wrong.

In comparison to the kii sevens, the 6c sounded superior, more effortless in their presentation, and with greater headroom (kii seven’s low bass registers sounded compressed at 75% and above) . I also noticed that 6c’s used power cables that come with the speakers whereas kii used some aftermarket hi-end ones . In conclusion, I liked the kii’s but I loved the 6c’s! In the end , I believe you get what you pay for. In the next few months, I intend to be a happy owner of these little gems and will happily report back to whomever is interested in sharing opinions and thoughts

One final comment: kudos to Yianni from Dutch&Dutch for his energetic, enthusiastic and informative presentation.
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