Dutch & Dutch 15C Discussion

[Hayabusa]

15C next to 6C

already 8 months old?

 

[Hayabusa]

did some measurements based in the mentioned 56cm width:

 

[Tovarich007]

This huge, and certainly very good speaker doesn't seem to be quite stable on its small stand.
Better have a larger one IMHO

What about the characteristics of the upper mid/tweeter driver and the dividing frequency between it and the bass/low mids 15" drivers ?

 

[Mort]

If it connects directly with the stand plate I'm sure it's fine.

I'm much more worried about my wallet!

 

[EAXAE]

This huge, and certainly very good speaker doesn't seem to be quite stable on its small stand.

It is about 100 kg without a stand. One has to make a considerable effort to move this fridge a bit!

 

[yo!]

This looks a bit like a no concept speaker to me.
Sure, 15" and modern compression driver can sound really good when high SPL is required. KS and many other brands do this par excellence.

But there are compromises included as always and I wonder for what usage the speaker will fit or if it's a iconic reference only for the DD lineup.

 

[intouch1]

I too would welcome another optional stand that would look better in a home environment. I will certainly go for the 15C

Maybe some nice marble blocks or quartz.

 

[Oboreal]

It’s up to the folks at DD to tell us, but I really wouldn’t be surprised if this model mainly exists as a flagship, a way of saying: ‘look, we’re a brand at the very top of the high‑end market.’

Just like Focal with the Grande Utopia, which sells in very small numbers but is there to showcase the brand’s expertise, make people dream, attract attention at shows, and ultimately help sell the lower‑tier models that wouldn’t get as much interest otherwise.

The effect is probably even stronger in DD’s case, because the 8C isn’t visually impressive at all—quite small and understated for a speaker with that level of performance.

So they’ll likely be able to play the card of: ‘Did you love the incredible sound of that huge speaker? Well, you can get almost the same full‑range cardioid sound with the 8C, which is barely bigger than a typical bookshelf speaker and will blend discreetly into your living room.’

 

[Mort]

ultimately help sell the lower‑tier models

......this.

It's standard luxury brand strategy to have an unobtainable high end model.

 

[Tovarich007]

I too would welcome another optional stand that would look better in a home environment. I will certainly go for the 15C

Maybe some nice marble blocks or quartz.

I don't care about marble, quartz or any other material and I appreciate sobriety, modesty and understatement in design (Bauhaus or old Braun school, you see) .

I just want to be certain that this little standl is enough heavy and large to stabilize such a large and heavy spealer, especially in case of an involuntary little shock or push on a speaker. In real life it happens sometimes, even in a pro studio.

I have doubts about this. Maybe I'm wrong but I wish for a an answer by D&D on this question.

 

[sigbergaudio]

I don't care about marble, quartz or any other material and I appreciate sobriety, modesty and understatement in design (Bauhaus or old Braun school, you see) .

I just want to be certain that this little standl is enough heavy and large to stabilize such a large and heavy spealer, especially in case of an involuntary little shock or push on a speaker. In real life it happens sometimes, even in a pro studio.

I have doubts about this. Maybe I'm wrong but I wish for a an answer by D&D on this question.

Given that they were four people to even lift it on to the stand, I suspect not much will happen if someone gives it a little shock or push.

 

[Tovarich007]

It’s up to the folks at DD to tell us, but I really wouldn’t be surprised if this model mainly exists as a flagship, a way of saying: ‘look, we’re a brand at the very top of the high‑end market.’

Just like Focal with the Grande Utopia, which sells in very small numbers but is there to showcase the brand’s expertise, make people dream, attract attention at shows, and ultimately help sell the lower‑tier models that wouldn’t get as much interest otherwise.

The effect is probably even stronger in DD’s case, because the 8C isn’t visually impressive at all—quite small and understated for a speaker with that level of performance.

So they’ll likely be able to play the card of: ‘Did you love the incredible sound of that huge speaker? Well, you can get almost the same full‑range cardioid sound with the 8C, which is barely bigger than a typical bookshelf speaker and will blend discreetly into your living room.’

Sure it's a flagship, kind of SOTA speaker for such this type of design.
It's not intended to be sold in big numbers as a standard. No speaker with that size and price is.
D&D isn't really a "luxury" maker, just a very good one, being set at the crossroad of high end amateur Hifi and high quality and expensive monitoring pro audio.,

 

[Tovarich007]

Given that they were four people to even lift it on to the stand, I suspect not much will happen if someone gives it a little shock or push.

It's not a question of weight in static position.
But if you push a bit beyond the gravity center, weight becomes an enemy for stability, not an ally.

 

[Pearljam5000]

How will Amir lift it if he measures it?

 

[kharan]

It's not a question of weight in static position.
But if you push a bit beyond the gravity center, weight becomes an enemy for stability, not an ally.

Considering the weight of the speaker, it's probably better to not bolt together the foot and the speaker itself. In doing that you would ensure that the centre of gravity remains fairly low in the speaker (since there are two woofers at the bottom vs a tweeter and a woofer at the top). You would then need to tilt the speaker considerably before it falls over.

And if you consider things from this angle, it's no different from a floorstander standing on the floor, and it even has a larger base than most floorstanders.

 

[FrantzM]

Back in my HEA days I knew and used products from SoundAnchors . These are not cheap, but are extremely well-made: e,g:
Something like this:

Or have it made by some local metal shop ...
TBH, finding a stand for this speaker is not an issue.

 

[Leeken]

Given that they were four people to even lift it on to the stand, I suspect not much will happen if someone gives it a little shock or push.

You obviously haven’t met my German Shepherd land shark
It’d last less than two mins with her!

 

[Mr. Widget]

So they’ll likely be able to play the card of: ‘Did you love the incredible sound of that huge speaker? Well, you can get almost the same full‑range cardioid sound with the 8C, which is barely bigger than a typical bookshelf speaker and will blend discreetly into your living room.’

They didn't need that for me. I recently bought a pair of the 8c speakers because of their understated appearance and exceptional performance. For most applications the 8c is all you will ever need... for others the 6c with the soon to arrive bass module will fit the bill. I doubt there will be many who actually need the 15c, but nice to know they exist.

 

[Mort]

Considering the weight of the speaker, it's probably better to not bolt together the foot and the speaker itself. In doing that you would ensure that the centre of gravity remains fairly low in the speaker (since there are two woofers at the bottom vs a tweeter and a woofer at the top). You would then need to tilt the speaker considerably before it falls over.

And if you consider things from this angle, it's no different from a floorstander standing on the floor, and it even has a larger base than most floorstanders.

Yeah that's a good point and one I should have remembered. I have 75lb 8361a decoupled from the lead shot filled pedestal on which they sit. They will not topple.

 

[Purité Audio]

......this.

It's standard luxury brand strategy to have an unobtainable high end model.

D&D are no more a ‘luxury’ brand than Genelec .
Keith