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Dutch & Dutch 15C Discussion

What are the positives /negatives of a 15 inch mid driver?

In this case, I think the decision to use a 15" midwoofer was a system-design choice.

One of the priorities Dutch & Dutch has embraced is good radiation pattern behavior in the crossover region, wherein the patterns of the woofer and of the waveguide are sufficiently similar to blend smoothly. So the midwoofer's diameter was chosen to work well with the waveguide's radiation pattern; and the waveguide's dimensions and radiation pattern were chosen to work well with a 15" midwoofer.

To the best of my knowledge JBL was the first to match up the radiation patterns of 15" woofer and similar-sized horn (constant-directivity in both the horizontal and vertical dimensions) in their landmark Model 4430 studio monitor four-and-a-half decades ago. Earl Geddes significantly refined the concept by introducing the first low-coloration constant-directivity waveguides in his (imo magnificent) Summa. My guess is that when measurements become available we'll see that the Dutch & Dutch 15C is an even further refinement, with the midwoofer's cardioid loading extending pattern control down considerably lower.
 
I'm guessing it's technically a 3-way using the same configuration as the 8c. Cardioid midbass with inbuilt rear "subwoofers" .
 
I mean if they sell it @ $20-25K they'll sell a lot more units so hopefully that'll be the price
 
I mean if they sell it @ $20-25K they'll sell a lot more units so hopefully that'll be the price

When the 8C is 15500 Euro (~17500 USD), I'm confused how you can expect that price range. :)
 
It appears to be the same configuration as the 8C and the 6C, so quite clearly a three-way.
I am addressing the designer here, and I would like to understand this within this very specific context.
What would be the benefit of a 3-way design compared to a 2-way design, using 15-inch drivers, cardioid configuration, a compression driver, DSP, and built-in subwoofers?
 
I am addressing the designer here, and I would like to understand this within this very specific context.
What would be the benefit of a 3-way design compared to a 2-way design, using 15-inch drivers, cardioid configuration, a compression driver, DSP, and built-in subwoofers?

Could you elaborate on how you suggest the 2-way version would look/work?
 
Could you elaborate on how you suggest the 2-way version would look/work?

There is no hidden agenda in my question. I simply want to understand the interest and the superiority of a 3-way design in this very specific context. Do you think there would inevitably be a narrowing of directivity in the upper midrange, and/or increased distortion at high SPL levels?
 
There is no hidden agenda in my question. I simply want to understand the interest and the superiority of a 3-way design in this very specific context. Do you think there would inevitably be a narrowing of directivity in the upper midrange, and/or increased distortion at high SPL levels?

I don't understand how you would build the 15C as a 2-way, so this is why I asked how you suggest that would look and work. I am not suspecting any hidden agenda. I don't understand what you are suggesting.
 
I don't understand how you would build the 15C as a 2-way, so this is why I asked how you suggest that would look and work. I am not suspecting any hidden agenda. I don't understand what you are suggesting.
Ok, so for you, the question is stupid and doesn't even arise. The three-lane highway is obvious...sorry and thanks for your reply. ;)
 
Ok, so for you, the question is stupid and doesn't even arise. The three-lane highway is obvious...sorry and thanks for your reply. ;)

Not stupid, I am curious how you would solve it. To elaborate a little bit, currently the 6C/8C/15C is only cardioid in the range of the midbass driver.

In a 2-way configuration, are you suggesting to remove some of the drivers, or that all three 15" drivers play in the same range, or to no longer have it cardioid, or how exactly would you approach it? And why / to what end? :)
 
I was about to say that the front 15" probably overlaps the 15" subs on the back a little bit to provide directivity control lower in frequency that the 8C (which would be the point of a bigger version for me).

But I just remembered that they use a resistive enclosure so the front woofer cannot reproduce low frequency.
Which mean the speaker cannot provide very-low-frequency directivity control in this configuration.

So the point is just more SPL, no more "magic" from better directivity control (unlike the Ascilab stack for example)
But they're clearly aiming for the luxury market so who cares lmao
 
Not stupid, I am curious how you would solve it. To elaborate a little bit, currently the 6C/8C/15C is only cardioid in the range of the midbass driver.

In a 2-way configuration, are you suggesting to remove some of the drivers, or that all three 15" drivers play in the same range, or to no longer have it cardioid, or how exactly would you approach it? And why / to what end? :)
Sorry again, my friend, it was an absurd question!!! Pearljam5000 asked it once, and I just took the liberty of asking you again. That's all ....
 
But they're clearly aiming for the luxury market so who cares lmao

What do you mean? That future buyers of the 15C will buy without caring about the good measurements datas and therefore the performance?
 
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