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Dutch & Dutch 15C Discussion

Yes it's a nice statement, but in a world where the Genelec 8381 exists, and for a lot cheaper, it doesn't raise an eyebrow.
I heard those at AES conference in 2023. They were not played that loud but they produced some of the most incredible and accurate sound I have experienced. No doubt helped by famous music producers bringing their Atmos project files and playing them there.
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Here is a bit on 15C the first day I listened to them:


The second day experience was far better. Will post that later.
 
They look like ovesized bookshelf speakers.
Because that's what they are.
But you gotta hand it over to them, there's a bad habit in engineering to try to change a recipe that works to trigger an appeal from novelty, and they didn't. They kept the well working design of the 8c's however they transported the pricing philosophy into the audiophool realm and that's a bummer.
 
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I hear the price is $130k
 
I hear the price is $130k
Madness. Definitely targeting the 0.1% of the population.

Somebody is going to be competing in that price ballpark, and somebody is going to be making those sales. Why shouldn't it be Dutch & Dutch?

(And just for the record, I'm in favor of being inclusive towards those who spend much more on audio than "we" do, as well as towards those spend much less on audio than "we" do.)
 
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I should add that the 15C is much more domestic decor friendly than the Genelecs.
Yeah, my chance of getting the 8381 in the living room and also staying married is a little lower than winning the lottery while simultaneously getting hit by lightning. The 15C is at least not going to make anyone question my sanity if I bring it up, at least until the price tag appears. :D

($130K, was not expecting it to move so firmly into the 6 figures... wow)

I guess I will only be putting two pairs in my super-yacht, instead of doing a full atmos setup. Too bad.

A serious comment on the price: If they have built a speaker that could actually be said to be worth that much in the same sense that a Genelec 8030 is worth $1600 per pair, I'm in favor of that. Obviously they won't have the same bang for buck, but if the concept of bang for buck even still rationally applies, and they have managed to extend that into the 6 figure range, that's not a bad thing.

I will probably never buy one, might never hear one, but if the price / quality curve doesn't totally break down with these, that's good for the industry in some way.
 
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Yeah, my chance of getting the 8381 in the living room and also staying married is a little lower than winning the lottery while simultaneously getting hit by lightning. The 15C is at least not going to make anyone question my sanity if I bring it up, at least until the price tag appears. :D

($130K, was not expecting it to move so firmly into the 6 figures... wow)

I guess I will only be putting two pairs in my super-yacht, instead of doing a full atmos setup. Too bad.

A serious comment on the price: If they have built a speaker that could actually be said to be worth that much in the same sense that a Genelec 8030 is worth $1600 per pair, I'm in favor of that. Obviously they won't have the same bang for buck, but if the concept of bang for buck even still rationally applies, and they have managed to extend that into the 6 figure range, that's not a bad thing.

I will probably never buy one, might never hear one, but if the price / quality curve doesn't totally break down with these, that's good for the industry in some way.
So you're saying that there's hope
 
Somebody is going to be competing in that price ballpark, and somebody is going to be making those sales. Why shouldn't it be Dutch & Dutch?

(And just for the record, I'm in favor of being inclusive towards those who spend much more on audio than "we" do, as well as towards those spend much less on audio than "we" do.)
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those rich haters nor am I one of those who are repulsive of expensive luxury good. I fully believe in the existence of such products and be nice if I was one of those who is able to afford such luxury product.

I was just $150k is madness for the 99.9% of us. And couldn't agree more that D&D is one of th prefer companies to be playing in that space than a some snake oil company.

Edit: My only beef is that, if a company sells something this expensive, the materials has to be the most exotic, they better kill a baby unicorn and use the horns to build this product. Better not see the letters "MDF" or the words "fabric" or "paper" in the specs.
 
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These are for filling very large spaces. Their competitors are either very expensive high-end speakers, or PA speakers, neither of which is accurate.
 
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those rich haters nor am I one of those who are repulsive of expensive luxury good. I fully believe in the existence of such products and be nice if I was one of those who is able to afford such luxury product.

I was just $150k is madness for the 99.9% of us. And couldn't agree more that D&D is one of th prefer companies to be playing in that space than a some snake oil company.
Whether it’s speakers, automatic Swiss watches or kitchen cabinets, I struggle to see the value in certain goods. On the surface it just seems like a lot of markup.
 
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