Dutch & Dutch 15C Discussion

[Paul7777x]

6c sounded small. There are many small speakers at the show which were better

??

Presumably they were not in a living room?

What something sounds like at a show carries no real weight.

They can hardly ever be optimally set up, and room sizes, dimensions and positions are largely random.

Add to that the incessant noise… and I’d be happy to say there’s no worse place to listen to speakers.

… perhaps a busy metropolitan train station, or airport.

 

[Avp1]

??

Presumably they were not in a living room?

What something sounds like at a show carries no real weight.

They can hardly ever be optimally set up, and room sizes, dimensions and positions are largely random.

Add to that the incessant noise… and I’d be happy to say there’s no worse place to listen to speakers.

… perhaps a busy metropolitan train station, or airport.

I only compare them with other small speakers at the show. All of them use similar rooms

 

[Oddball]

Oddball what Dirac ART does, I don’t think it’s needed for active speakers with cardioid. That’s the beauty of them, that they consider the room.

The 6c and 8c, in their rooms ie not very good hotel rooms, sounded amazing. Very similar tone but bigger scale with the 8c and both speakers have excellent bass. The 15c, while being in the middle of a giant hotel lobby may have challenges that cannot be overcome by any active speaker or active room treatment, if they were put in one of the giant conference rooms, I’m sure we’d be blown away. Even in the hotel lobby, I think it’ll be an amazing experience.

Actually they can not do a thing like ART. They do have a low base management which is amazing, but really nothing like ART. In rare circumstances that would not be the case as with @Mort, but in larger setups there is nothing like ART, or much more complicated DBA or Trinnov wawe forming setups.

 

[amirm]

This is my cue to head out there a little later today! Thanks! Lance.

Me too.

 

[MCM]

6c sounded small. There are many small speakers at the show which were better

Which ones did you like better?

 

[ShadowFiend]

8C +subs will get close to 15C for much less $$$

No, it is not. Harmonic distortion in lower midrange of 8C can not be lower by adding a subs. Not too mention a 15C will have a narrower directivity which can not be achieve by 8C

 

[Lsc]

The 15c looks a lot smaller today. It’s crazy how you get used to the looks.

 

[a|F]

I did. It was a noisy situation with modest volume
What i did hear was excellent.

The 15c's are in the lobby with a ton of people moving around, and still sounded absolutely incredible. There's a magic there. Big woofage matters. Bravo to the Dutch!
(They look ridiculous)

 

[a|F]

No, it is not. Harmonic distortion in lower midrange of 8C can not be lower by adding a subs. Not too mention a 15C will have a narrower directivity which can not be achieve by 8C

This whole idea that small speakers can be made to sound like big speakers - just add a sub! - needs to die.

 

[Mort]

This whole idea that small speakers can be made to sound like big speakers - just add a sub! - needs to die.

Correct. You need two subs.

 

[Robocop]

A 15" driver just moves more air physically and more easily. After hearing my friends 15" Tannoy"s and coming back to my stereo 2 x 6inch bass/mids no comparison.

Four 15" inch drivers in one cabinet has to be heard to be believed. I will probably never hear them but the potential for these new speakers is huge.

 

[Avp1]

Which ones did you like better?

ExMachina, Dynaudio 20 were better.

 

[tineared]

The 15c's are in the lobby with a ton of people moving around, and still sounded absolutely incredible. There's a magic there. Big woofage matters. Bravo to the Dutch!
(They look ridiculous)

It makes sense to place the 15Cs in the lobby
Should the need arise, they can be used to open the front doors

 

[Martijn Mensink]

Good times at AXPONA

 

[Sal1950]

The 15c looks a lot smaller today. It’s crazy how you get used to the looks.

Your just getting used to seeing them.

Four 15" inch drivers in one cabinet has to be heard to believed. I will probably never hear them but the potential for these new speakers is huge.

There's much to what you say. It's only the guys with small -----speakers that try to deny the fact that size matters. All other things being equal, you want a lot of deep bass with low distortion in a big room, you need to move a LOT of air, you can't change the laws of physics. So big drivers capable lots of excursion are the order of the day. Maybe I'll get a chance to hear these at next Feb Tampa show and they'll have a better display area than a hallway. Just to remember they didn't reinvent the wheel here, just packaged known physics demands with modern DSP and packaged it all up in one HUGE box. KOOL
If only I had the home and deep pockets they might be on my "maybe" list.

 

[Hayabusa]

Good times at AXPONA

This is great!

 

[Pearljam5000]

Good times at AXPONA

What's the official price of the 15C?

 

[Karmacoma]

What's the official price of the 15C?

No official price, the unofficial price is 100k$ for a pair.

 

[Pearljam5000]

No official price, the unofficial price is 100k$ for a pair.

That's why I asked
It makes sense to finally have an official price

 

[El_Duderino]

When I look at the height of the speakers with the stands, I wonder what kind of chair would be required to align the listener's ear with the tweeter.

Or maybe you can tilt them forward a bit.