Dutch & Dutch 15C Discussion

[Karmacoma]

You can get a Ford Mustang for about $40K but a Ford GT will set you back a million

That's a very bad analogy. 2 different cars with different components, technology, design, usage and history.
Until proven otherwise the 15c's just seem like some oversized 8c's.
And good luck selling your 15c's in 20 years for 4 times this price.

 

[Tell]

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Didn't fully realised how big they were.

They look utterly bizarre, like a bookshelf scaled up x5! Sure I won't ever be able to afford these, but the size and looks alone is enough for me to ever even consider them no matter how good they might perform.

 

[Lsc]

Could you listen to them?

They were playing. It’s in the lobby though. I might ask them to crank it up today or tomorrow to really know what it’s capable of. Considering how much the 8c pressurizes a room, I’m sure the 15c aka the “fridge” would have no issues in this department.

 

[Lsc]

They look utterly bizarre, like a bookshelf scaled up x5! Sure I won't ever be able to afford these, but the size and looks alone is enough for me to ever even consider them no matter how good they might perform.

I do agree that in my room, the 15c would probably be a little too large especially when the 8c would be more than capable. I can see this in a downtown penthouse condo with floor to ceiling windows. They usually have oversized living spaces that’s not very traditional speaker friendly. That’s probably where they will really shine and given the price tag, that’s probably who can get them as well.

 

[Pearljam5000]

It's supposed to be a main monitor in a studio?

 

[Avp1]

Most brands need an unobtainable level of cost to anchor the consumers expected cost at a high level. 45k speakers are a bargain compared to 100k.

After hearing new Andrew Jones creation for $34K, I would choose that. Though will have to add amp to the total.

 

[Paul7777x]

For all normal mortals, those who want a stereo for a home, these are absurd. The price more so.

I’m not being at all negative here; if I had a big enough house and the cash, I’d actually buy them.

But for almost everyone here, and even normal people, the 8c is all we’d likely need or want.

And for most European, certainly UK, living rooms, the 6c will be awesome too.

 

[Pearljam5000]

8C +subs will get close to 15C for much less $$$

 

[PGansz]

For all normal mortals, those who want a stereo for a home, these are absurd. The price more so.

I’m not being at all negative here; if I had a big enough house and the cash, I’d actually buy them.

But for almost everyone here, and even normal people, the 8c is all we’d likely need or want.

And for most European, certainly UK, living rooms, the 6c will be awesome too.

I don't think anyone's wife would want to see these their living space. Guests even less so. They are hideous.

 

[Paul7777x]

I don't think anyone's wife would want to see these their living space. Guests even less so. They are hideous

No wife. And bugger guests.

It’s my (imaginary) home and for me to live in and enjoy life.

 

[Oddball]

These seem to be fantastic speakers. Pricy for sure but then obviously not catering to value buyers.

What makes me wonder nowadays is how to integrate these incredible active speakers with the subs as @Pearljam5000 noted. This might be the value angle. Smaller actives that behave better in higher end range (with their DSP) than passives with EQ, but then bolt on the subs with Dirac ART and get it done? Is this the way?

 

[Paul7777x]

These seem to be fantastic speakers. Pricy for sure but then obviously not catering to value buyers.

What makes me wonder nowadays is how to integrate these incredible active speakers with the subs as @Pearljam5000 noted. This might be the value angle. Smaller actives that behave better in higher end range (with their DSP) than passives with EQ, but then bolt on the subs with Dirac ART and get it done? Is this the way?

It’s hard to imagine a room which would require subs with these.

There’s a castle for sale not far from me with a banquet hall…

But I’m pretty sure REW and D&Ds own in speaker room correction would be ‘sufficient’ in about 5 9’s of cases.

Not sure if ART could improve on it all.

 

[amirm]

Could you listen to them?

I did. It was a noisy situation with modest volume
What i did hear was excellent.

 

[Oddball]

It’s hard to imagine a room which would require subs with these.

There’s a castle for sale not far from me with a banquet hall…

But I’m pretty sure REW and D&Ds own in speaker room correction would be ‘sufficient’ in about 5 9’s of cases.

Not sure if ART could improve on it all.

There is nothing like ART and nothing like subs. Smaller actives just can't do justice in low end with either response or SPL. Thinking of reference volumes now.

Bigger actives (pure speculation) won't have anything near ART. They will "float" and it will be a controlled mess, but mess after all. There is nothing that can really control decay in low bass except elaborate DBAs or Trinnov wawe forming, which are both based on the rigorous and multiple sub placement.

Place a big active with sub unit in a given spot and there is little you can do with it's DSP.

Hope this makes sense.

 

[Mort]

There is nothing like ART and nothing like subs. Smaller actives just can't do justice in low end with either response or SPL. Thinking of reference volumes now.

Bigger actives (pure speculation) won't have anything near ART. They will "float" and it will be a controlled mess, but mess after all. There is nothing that can really control decay in low bass except elaborate DBAs or Trinnov wawe forming, which are both based on the rigorous and multiple sub placement.

Place a big active with sub unit in a given spot and there is little you can do with it's DSP.

Hope this makes sense.

So you like ART I gather.

 

[dfuller]

No picture does it justice. You really need to stand by it to see how massive it is.View attachment 523782

Back side:
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Yep. Saw 'em at NAMM - they're enormous.

 

[Martijn Mensink]

I did. It was a noisy situation with modest volume
What i did hear was excellent.

Please stop by after closing time. I’d be happy to play anything you’d like at any level you’d like. It would be great to meet you in person.

And to anyone else from here who comes by, please introduce yourself, I’d love to put a name to the handle.

 

[Lsc]

Please stop by after closing time. I’d be happy to play anything you’d like at any level you’d like. It would be great to meet you in person.

And to anyone else from here who comes by, please introduce yourself, I’d love to put a name to the handle.

This is my cue to head out there a little later today! Thanks! Lance.

 

[Lsc]

There is nothing like ART and nothing like subs. Smaller actives just can't do justice in low end with either response or SPL. Thinking of reference volumes now.

Bigger actives (pure speculation) won't have anything near ART. They will "float" and it will be a controlled mess, but mess after all. There is nothing that can really control decay in low bass except elaborate DBAs or Trinnov wawe forming, which are both based on the rigorous and multiple sub placement.

Place a big active with sub unit in a given spot and there is little you can do with it's DSP.

Hope this makes sense.

Oddball what Dirac ART does, I don’t think it’s needed for active speakers with cardioid. That’s the beauty of them, that they consider the room.

The 6c and 8c, in their rooms ie not very good hotel rooms, sounded amazing. Very similar tone but bigger scale with the 8c and both speakers have excellent bass. The 15c, while being in the middle of a giant hotel lobby may have challenges that cannot be overcome by any active speaker or active room treatment, if they were put in one of the giant conference rooms, I’m sure we’d be blown away. Even in the hotel lobby, I think it’ll be an amazing experience.

 

[Avp1]

For all normal mortals, those who want a stereo for a home, these are absurd. The price more so.

I’m not being at all negative here; if I had a big enough house and the cash, I’d actually buy them.

But for almost everyone here, and even normal people, the 8c is all we’d likely need or want.

And for most European, certainly UK, living rooms, the 6c will be awesome too.

6c sounded small. There are many small speakers at the show which were better