Dutch & Dutch 15C Discussion

[bmc0]

But it is not easy to get an anechoic chamber at home.

Additionally, standard 2-channel playback doesn't actually sound very good in an anechoic or near-anechoic room (to most people, at least).

 

[Avp1]

Additionally, standard 2-channel playback doesn't actually sound very good in an anechoic or near-anechoic room (to most people, at least).

Then Atmos 7.x.4 is your ticket.

 

[jhaider]

You can, ameliorate the effects of room modes easily enough particularly with contemporary actives because they have built-in equalisation.
Keith

Only in one spot though. You need distributed subs to cover more of a room

 

[Buckchester]

It is not that hard if you spent $70K on speakers. Probably another $70K for room treatments or rather room BUILDUP. There is almost no restrictions, if you have a dedicated room.

 

[Curvature]

The disparity in income, and the subjective sense of price reasonability, is kind of funny to think about.

 

[Dialectic]

400sqf is not hard to get here in USA. Often less will work if you use attic space above ceiling and behind walls. I am seriously considering flash mounting my ATC SCM100 - I have unused space behind one wall.

Hard to get if you want to live in a desirable area.

 

[markstein]

Tried them here, awful.
Keith

Why exactly? What did you dislike about them?

 

[markstein]

Considering how the drivers are spread and the crossover point, I do think that this speaker is designed to be listened too at at least 3 m away, though 4 m would be considered safer. That's gut feeling, not proper calculation. At those distances, the vertical listening window is probably okay for a variety of couches, sofas, and listeners' tallness.

Listened briefly to these speakers today, and found it extremely joyful. They are very dynamic, with a punchy deep bass, slightly elevated treble, however, always on the pleasant side. Not the most neutral presentation, but fun.

 

[viennaanneiv]

Have these speakers been auditioned? They seem to be more of a concept than actual hardware.

 

[Geert]

Have these speakers been auditioned? They seem to be more of a concept than actual hardware.

You know you have a strong concept when it takes 4 people to lift it

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[nerdoldnerdith]

I owned the 8C for a while and there is no doubt in my mind the cardioid made a difference in sound quality. They have the most soundstage depth and detail of any speakers I've heard. The cardioid gave the speakers the ability to basically eliminate SBIR and the effect was like the wall in front of them wasn't there.

The thing with these larger speakers is that SBIR isn't as much of an issue with such a wide baffle, which already controls backwards radiation of sound waves into lower frequencies. I don't see the benefit of sacrificing efficiency just to get maybe an octave of directivity control.

Moreover, that control could be achieved by simply using the rear drivers to make the cardioid. Live sound systems do the same thing with subwoofers and don't sacrifice efficiency because the physical separate of the drivers allows the constructive and destructive interference to work optimally for the wavelengths in use. The cardioid design of the 8C and 15C works by creating destructive interference in every direction, with more destructive interference behind the speaker than in front. You lose output from the forward direction of the driver, but you lose even more output in the rear direction, so the net effect is directivity control.

 

[RexrothPigeon]

I owned the 8C for a while and there is no doubt in my mind the cardioid made a difference in sound quality. They have the most soundstage depth and detail of any speakers I've heard.

This has been my experience with the 8c as well

 

[Karmacoma]

Didn't fully realised how big they were.

 

[a|F]

I owned the 8C for a while and there is no doubt in my mind the cardioid made a difference in sound quality. They have the most soundstage depth and detail of any speakers I've heard. The cardioid gave the speakers the ability to basically eliminate SBIR and the effect was like the wall in front of them wasn't there.

The thing with these larger speakers is that SBIR isn't as much of an issue with such a wide baffle, which already controls backwards radiation of sound waves into lower frequencies. I don't see the benefit of sacrificing efficiency just to get maybe an octave of directivity control.

Moreover, that control could be achieved by simply using the rear drivers to make the cardioid. Live sound systems do the same thing with subwoofers and don't sacrifice efficiency because the physical separate of the drivers allows the constructive and destructive interference to work optimally for the wavelengths in use. The cardioid design of the 8C and 15C works by creating destructive interference in every direction, with more destructive interference behind the speaker than in front. You lose output from the forward direction of the driver, but you lose even more output in the rear direction, so the net effect is directivity control.

It appears you got rid of the 8c. What replaced them and why?

 

[Pearljam5000]

What's the official price for the 15C?

 

[MKR]

What's the official price for the 15C?

If you have to ask …

 

[Digby]

seems a bit haphazard to have such massive speakers on stands, could cause serious damage/injury if accidentally pushed over. surely for the price they should lock into the stand which should also be heavily weighted (anchored to the floor?) in some way.

 

[MKR]

seems a bit haphazard to have such massive speakers on stands, could cause serious damage/injury if accidentally pushed over. surely for the price they should lock into the stand which should also be heavily weighted (anchored to the floor?) in some way.

Or just design darn floorstanders. Makes zero sense to me to have such a massive stand mount.

 

[Mr. Widget]

Or just design darn floorstanders. Makes zero sense to me to have such a massive stand mount.

Well... makes no sense until they release the sub module that these sit on, effectively making them floor standers with enough deep bass to crack the foundation of most houses.

 

[Mort]

Or just design darn floorstanders. Makes zero sense to me to have such a massive stand mount.

With no disrespect to D&D - maybe the goal was mostly to generate buzz. Which it did.