Dual HS 130(1224) or new turntable?

[DSJR]

I have. I'll try to trade it in for a second hand 1229.
PS: looks like there is more to budget turntables. Fortunately, everyone seems to recommend not to worry too much about it and just get vinyls.

I LOVE the 1229 with a passion, but it's one of Dual's more complex machines needing very careful alignment if stripped down for service and certain rubber parts in the tonearm height assembly MUST be replaced before proper use, as if not and the arm-height lever is used, one risks breaking off two little 'ears' on what's known as the dearing ring which is fitted to the bottom of the outer tonearm gimbal. This will render the deck unusable until it's fixed and currently, I'm not sure Shapeways exist to sell you a replacement - look on Vinyl Engine for comments by Dualcan (Klaus) about it, as he knows more about these decks than almost anyone else. His Dualcan tumblr site is a must for servicing information, as he uses his official Dual service experience to strip them to the last screw and clip and then rebuild them to spec. He's helped me no end over the years. Other later model fully auto Duals may be a better bet if you've not got into vinyl auto deck servicing as they're much simpler underneath.

I lent my 1229 out and very sadly subsequently lost it, so replaced in 1989 or so with a good used 701 which is still my main spinner today (yes, I have Lencos too in the 'stash'...). I was gifted a 1019 which is gorgeous with so slick controls, but not quite as quiet or capable overall, being a far earlier design.

(anal nonsense, but the 701 is playing 'Meadow of Infinity' by Peter Baumann and the 1019 is playing a nice copy of 'The Yes Album')

I totally forgot and Lini (and others?) reminded me Does the entire unit have a tape record output? if so and the Klipsch master speaker has a volume control, i wonder if it's possible to use the Dual system that way and save some money? Styli for the Dual pickups can still be obtained (I very much doubt these ceramic pickups would be bad ones of their type). The main difference is more surface noise from records, but you usually get a very 'direct' sound to make up for it.

Good luck.

P.S. If you wanted to try for a good used Dual deck, the simple auto-stop-n-lift 505 in various marques can be easily got for not much money and the later ones (505 - 3 onwards) often had nicer and more solid plinths, the Ortofom OM based pickup (and the deck as a whole) happily accepting an OM20 stylus which gives a more refined sound up top, which used to be cheap but isn't now, sadly.

 

[spiral scratch]

Does the entire unit have a tape record output?

Good catch. I thought of that too and then thought of something else... 'poof' gone

 

[lini]

(...) I totally forgot and Lini (and others?) reminded me Does the entire unit have a tape record output? if so and the Klipsch master speaker has a volume control, i wonder if it's possible to use the Dual system that way and save some money? (...)

See my reply (#16) above. While the HS130 does sport a DIN tape i/o jack, the problem is the very low output level (in combination with very high output impedance), which is typical for DIN tape outputs. I don't think, that the line or aux input of the Klipsch speakers would have a sufficiently high input sensitivity for such a low signal level. Whereas the headphone out should work for the purpose in this particular case.

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

 

[abrcdbra]

This is a good record player. Not the best, but really better than the new AT. Dual usually has very high quality mechanics. The sound will be dense and engaging.

 

[mtcn77]

This is a good record player. Not the best, but really better than the new AT. Dual usually has very high quality mechanics. The sound will be dense and engaging.

I'm thinking of trading it for a 1229 hoping for the best. I'm thinking of a Reloop Turn X for myself.

 

[mtcn77]

I got myself a Reloop Turn 5. I was having a jolly good time on max volume, not knowing it was rocking on the line out. Shut it down, switched to phono and the bass blew me away! 40% volume is the same as %100 now, guess it is because of 2V line out vs 5V internal Seven's phono preamp, but don't quote me on this.

 

[mtcn77]

As far as "sound", a digitized copy will sound exactly the same as the direct vinyl (in a blind listening test)

I have the opposite experience, I don't know how it can be so harsh on the phone while browsing albums on the internet and so subtle on the turntable using loudspeakers. The difference in listening to James Last Trumpet a GoGo 3 is very stark.
I'm almost at the point of not browsing music on digital since analog sounds so well composed in comparison.
My treasure trove is the Family of Blues Vol. 5 album. I just discovered a whole lot of new bluesbands and players.